UPDATE 7/19/16: our discussion with Jos will continue on our new thread on the blue monarch forum! Please come visit the thread : Within the Machine – Illuminati Handling
About a year ago – almost exactly a year ago, in fact – a thread appeared on GLP that I’m sure my readers have seen me refer to before: I Am An Illuminati Handler. Ask Me A Question.
Its appearance intrigued me immediately. The OP is the handler/programmer for the very famous pop star. While I was skeptical (I imagine the uninformed reader to be similarly skeptical) I was certainly interested in reading what this supposed handler had to say, and I ended up engaging him for nigh-on the entirety of the 100-page thread. While I was expecting a clear charade, his answers surprised me completely – and I ended up coming to the conclusion that, even if Jos was a roleplayer who had managed to fool me, he had done so with information I would be just as happy to read in the context of fiction as fact.
Regardless of whether or not you buy into OP’s legitimacy after reading the thread – and I will say that I certainly do – the intrigue of his information is unquestionable, and his thread is perhaps one of the most fascinating I have had the oppertunity to read on GLP.
For whatever reason – and with GLP, the true answer is unlikely to ever see the light of day – OP’s thread was recently “blacklisted” – and while it has not been deleted, proxy replies are banned and our OP has not been able to regain access to it. Efforts to begin a new thread on the forum have met with a similar fate. I believe it would be quite a shame to lose the correspondence entirely, as an oppertunity to speak with a person such as this does not come along very often. I asked myself how exactly I wanted to go about making this post numerous times – as it seemed pertinent to repost some of the material from the original thread here – but I do not necessarily want to turn this blog post into a behemoth, as I believe his presence here itself ought to be the main feature.
I may make alterations to this blog post as time goes on, but I invite any readers to address our OP here in the comments section if they so choose – I would ask if the handler himself would not mind introducing himself. And of course, thank you for taking the time to share with our readers – I do imagine they will find you quite as fascinating as I have.
Cyberouroboros 
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Test test test test test. Test test Test test. Test test test. test test test. Why. why. Why. Test. Test. This is just a test 😉
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Hello user. I’m just letting you know, all comments by ips that have no yet been approved by me become pending my approval before appearing on the site. It’s just the way wordpress works. I have approved your comment only to tell you that – yes, if you post something, it will appear, but no, I will not be approving stuff that is blatantly useless, like comments that say nothing but “testing testing testing”. I figured however, that if you had something significant to say, waiting in the wings or what have you, you should ask, as I am more than happy to approve a comment which contributes to the conversation. Sorry, but this blog entry is convoluted and fucking disorganized as is, I really don’t need blahblah pointlessness making it more of a clusterfuck. Not to be rude either. You are more than welcome to post.
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Thank you for this post, Kayli. I am pleased that we have another venue to continue conversing with Sir Handler.
I do not watch mainstream media news for the most part. I can barely stomach it. To keep up on events, I do check GLP every few days to check their take on things – news with a conspiracy twist – yet that site is also barely palatable for me given the quantity of trolls, racism and outright hatred.
I found the Handler thread on GLP quite by chance several months ago, and Kayli – I must say that I enjoyed reading your discourse with him on the thread before I ever posted.
There is another odd coincidence I have debated about sharing (and you know of my interest in the “woo woo” lol). Before finding Handler’s thread on GLP, i had a striking dream. In it a bald man with a black hat came to me and told me this: “The time of the Bear is over. The time of the Wolf is at hand. Let the dismantling begin.” He scared me a bit as it felt almost like a threat, but now I’m not so sure. After this dream, I began to see wolf symbolism everywhere lol.
When I found the Handler’s thread, I saw your posts, Kayli. Underneath your name was your tagline “Lupus ex machina” Wolf in the works? haha I was intrigued that you had given yourself this tagline, and then I became intrigued with the entire thread.
I am pleased to be a part of this enlightening conversation. I look forward to more discourse. ❤
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I know Jos really isn’t into woowoo, but I certainly am, and I’m shocked at how relevant your dream seems to me! The wolf and the bear specifically have been of great meaning symbolically in the recent present – the wolf has always been a huge totem , as the white wolf is my spirit animal, and the bear lately I have been seeing all over the place. How fascinating! Thanks for sharing Andrea, and thanks for joining us 😉
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The Great Bear Mother stood over the surface of the ice cold pond
In rain once the moon danced
Now she is emptiness
And I am the mirror
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yes sir, you have my attention. what is it you need?
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Not until it’s quantified, but that is a remarkable coincidence.
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Eventually some things currently considered “woo” will be quantified and added to our mind matrix – as we continue to evolve and are able to perceive and conceive of more. I would hazard to guess that modern day televisions and cellphones would have been considered quite “woo” in the 1800s. We’re evolving so quickly now – we’ll have to find even more outrageous things to consider woo woo as the current ones become commonplace.
The work you do, Jos, and certainly the existence of the “Illuminati” is considered woo by most today. 😛
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Thank you Kayli. I’m grateful for the opportunity to continue our chats. As anyone unfamiliar must be able to tell by now, though I contract for a group best known as ‘the Illuminati’, I’m not here in any official capacity (if I were, I’d guess that a ban at GLP wouldn’t stop me from posting). I am a relative newcomer to the program known as the Entertainment Ministry and am handling a total of two assets at the time and date of this writing.
I am the Team Leader of a pair of handling teams for two chosen celebrities. While I am not opposed to discussing these celebrities, I think the opportunity for discourse regarding what I know about ‘the organization’ and the modalities I use in my work are far more compelling. There’s a great amount of foolishness on the web concerning both. They are distended with absurdities created by hyperbole and in some cases, attempts to gain attention and/or make money.
I seek no gain outside intelligent dialogue, and before it’s asked, have no intention of revealing my identity or the identities of those in my circle who are not in the public eye. I am not the ‘great eye’ and I don’t know everything regarding the working of the Illuminati. Much of what I have to say could be considered hearsay, though it is such from an exceptionally unique perspective.
Regarding my methods, I am an expert. I am also a bit of a mad scientist (I prefer trailblazer). I prescribe to a modern form of MK Ultra known as Speculum, a drug-free approach to ‘shattering’ the human psyche in order to implant aware, alternate personalities.
And so, as i said a year ago, “I am an Illuminati Handler. Ask me a question.”
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How would you define some of the terms most familiar to your line of work – aka – “shattering”, “triggering”, and “alters”? How are stars shattered, how are triggers created, and what role does this play in the formation of creating alters?
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Well then, let’s get things rolling.
Shattering simply is compartmentalizing the mind. Think of it as you would a hard drive partition. Within that partition, data is stored. This data is a template personality to fit a specific need or role. An example of this is the most often cited ‘sex-kitten’, simply a ‘character’ who has been successfully uninhibited to all things sexual. These ‘characters’ are often shallow and require a great deal of development over time. in many ways they are children – devoid of various experiences and the proper reception to them. You’ll see videos of stars ‘hanging’. We try to make sure they aren’t easily thrown but you must be enormously thorough, implanting a lifetime’s experience in each shard. This is the purpose of making each of the alters aware and able to share experience. They may need to help out.
A classic example of this is Britney’s early interview with Barbara Walters. Barbara asks her about a recent betrayal procedure and triggers her simultaneously. The alter that was engaged had no frame of reference for the intense emotions and so she attempted to summon ‘Strong Britney” but failed.
Triggers differ based upon the programmer. They could be anything from touch to voices to phrases to visual cues to audio cues. I prefer a combination of phrase and audio cue as a fail-safe against accidental triggering. However I also employ emergency triggers that involve all of the above in case of catastrophic failure. These are much more ham-fisted and obvious. You can see them for yourself. Search youtube for any celebrity meltdown and see if you can spot them.
As for how they are created – well, I’d rather not go into the unsavory details. Suffice it to say that they are reinforced with confusion to clarity awards, chaos to stasis awards, other physical awards, punishment, and lots of repetition.
Triggers are everything. They are the ‘keys to the kingdom’ to any asset – control them and you control the subject. They are not written down, shared only with the most trusted of handlers. Mishandling them will lead to expulsion… perhaps worse.
As for how to shatter someone – it’s a process the length of which can only be determined by the subject’s amenability. It begins similarly for all, some form of trauma, a softening of the defenses that is almost always a ruse. It is followed by a time of peace which, is then followed by a betrayal procedure. After that, the ‘real work’ begins – various methods are employed.
Before I go on too long, I’ll take pause.
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As far as shattering goes – does that imply it only needs to happen one time, provided it is done right? Is there anything akin to what is known in conditioning as “extinction” of an association that is not reinforced – that is to say, is there any need for “retraumatization”?
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Who programmed you to be a programmer?
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Kayli, extinction is a rare thing as these alters are used regularly – they are even trained in stages throughout the life of the asset. For example: I recently had lunch with Sophia. The alters must be ‘complete’ and so we do things like this to see if they have access to the core’s life-experiences or need their own. Extinction of a regularly summoned alter is a sign of a deeper issue, likely a serious problem. There can be degradation of an unused alter over time and the ‘old school’ methods often eventually meld into one big mess (See: Madonna).
Shattering is a ‘one time thing’ but it is reinforced with later trauma events to maintain focus. A person possessing alters can ‘wander’ mentally, and require a sharply definitive focal point to keep the partitions strong.
insta trigger, I was programmed to be a programmer by… other programmers?
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“insta trigger, I was programmed to be a programmer by… other programmers?”
So sad what are people doing to each other even in the same society, but if this is a case you can reprogram yourself and be a real man again, not a pussy. Just say to yourself “I am not a pussy, I can do it” then roll your eyes clockwise and drink a beer. (5% alcohol minimum). Shout YEAH real load, smile and enjoy. Don’t forget other “programmers”, learn them the technique too, because they can be people as well although they are stupid jesuits at this point, and they deserve to enjoy manhood too.
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“Insta-Trigger” thanks for your reply. It’s cute. Now get back to your consuming. The adults are talking.
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Andrea. You know how I feel about ‘woo woo’, but I can say this: I am of Dacian/Agathysri heritage. Look it up.
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Haha I see. The Dacian symbol – the Dacian Draco – is a Wolf’s head with a serpent/dragon body. And you hail from what is now known as Transylvania, no less. How interesting.
As a note, my animal totem is indeed – the Bear. LOL
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Jos, I can’t help myself – I must give my woo explanation for the importance of bloodlines. 😉 What if the DNA of each human body resonates to a specific frequency that is compatible with the resonant energy of the soul attached to that body?
I know you do not believe in reincarnation, but I do. ha 🙂 In any case, it is my understanding/belief that souls incarnate and reincarnate into genetic lines. They must, in fact, do this or the energetics are not in alignment, and the soul may not attach to a body with which it is not resonant. It’s science really.
So the bloodlines are of extreme importance because they define the stream of bodies that the eternal spirit of the being experiencing on Earth may incarnate into. If an elderly Illuminatus passes away, he wants to be sure he can incarnate again into his line and continue his wealth and power on Earth.
Incarnating into a body actually evolves and grows one’s spirit/soul. The more experience you have- especially in the lower densities that are the most foreign to the soul – the greater your spirit becomes in knowledge, experience, size and power.
As a side note, this also explains the reason that in ancient times only the males could inherit the wealth of the family. This is simply because the males were the most closely tied genetically to the parents, and the father’s spirit could reincarnate through the son’s line of sons. The Y chromosome does not differ between parent and child. The female bodies had the potential to be genetically divergent with two X chromosomes. It was not until more recently that the spirit (especially) and the bodies were evolved enough such that the spirit could incarnate into a female body and continue the evolution process.
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At some point down my line, I suppose that’s true. I was born elsewhere.
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Ah sorry – I meant that your lineage is from the area of Transylvania, not you directly. 🙂 You had posted that you are the child of a caviar fisherman – so you must be from somewhere along the coast of the Caspian or Black Sea if it is Beluga Sturgeon that your father harvested…
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On the lineage note, why do you think the “Illuminati” care so much about bloodlines? Once an extremely service-to-self individual has passed away, why would s/he care about the wealth and power prospects of his/her great great grandchild? I have my theories, but I’d like to hear your understanding.
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No offense taken and no apology necessary.
The bloodlines are simple really, it’s about staying in power and amassing wealth in the ‘now’. Certainly their progeny benefit but I don’t think that’s the concern, not until much later in life. It is a beast that feeds itself: Children wish to please parents, and eventually parents wish to see those children continue legacies. .
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Rats – I replied to the wrong post lol – so I am going to add it again here – sorry! 😛
Jos, I can’t help myself – I must give my woo explanation for the importance of bloodlines.😉 What if the DNA of each human body resonates to a specific frequency that is compatible with the resonant energy of the soul attached to that body?
I know you do not believe in reincarnation, but I do. ha:-) In any case, it is my understanding/belief that souls incarnate and reincarnate into genetic lines. They must, in fact, do this or the energetics are not in alignment, and the soul may not attach to a body with which it is not resonant. It’s science really.
So the bloodlines are of extreme importance because they define the stream of bodies that the eternal spirit of the being experiencing on Earth may incarnate into. If an elderly Illuminatus passes away, he wants to be sure he can incarnate again into his line and continue his wealth and power on Earth.
Incarnating into a body actually evolves and grows one’s spirit/soul. The more experience you have- especially in the lower densities that are the most foreign to the soul – the greater your spirit becomes in knowledge, experience, size and power.
As a side note, this also explains the reason that in ancient times only the males could inherit the wealth of the family. This is simply because the males were the most closely tied genetically to the parents, and the father’s spirit could reincarnate through the son’s line of sons. The Y chromosome does not differ between parent and child. The female bodies had the potential to be genetically divergent with two X chromosomes. It was not until more recently that the spirit (especially) and the bodies were evolved enough such that the spirit could incarnate into a female body and continue the evolution process.
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Andrea,
It’s an interesting take and likely one that at least some of the families believe firmly. I’m not sure that it’s science, but frequency is the correct path.
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Why don’t you ask your handler anything you need. OMG, you are cheating on your handler!
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Can you talk a little bit about your “team” – who are they, what role do they play in your client’s life? What kind of training do they have? How often do you meet with them, and how often do you communicate? Do they each have separate roles, and how large is a typical team?
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The traditional team is comprised of: Agent, Agency Team (select members), and someone in a roll close to the client’s daily life (Life Coach, Personal Assistant, Spouse, Family Member, Band Manager, band mate, etc.). All of these rolls are not necessarily filled for every client and not all of them are given trigger information unless it becomes clear that such is needed. There are many subordinates involved, though they are not always aware of the ‘truth’ of the client’s situation. For example, most celebrities no longer hire full-time bodyguards but contract with private companies and so where once, personal security was an intricate part of the equation, they are no longer in most cases.
For my first client, we have the Agent, Agency GM, Agency Artist Manager, and mom. Before that, her preconditioning was handled by a life coach and inadvertently, mom. Life Coach aside, all of these are Trigger-Bearers and have been trained by me to properly handle the client. I communicate daily with Agent and have team meetings every two weeks. often I only sit in on these as they are usually outside the scope of my expertise. I am there as a fail safe should a certain plan or event be something I consider detrimental or coincidental to the client’s program, but also to instruct team members of any events I have scheduled for program constancy.
The teams primary function is as mundane as handling a celebrity’s career ever is (plane tickets, bookings, riders, etc.). They also make arrangements to fulfill various aspects of a program event; acquiring talent, handling affairs, etc. I am very meticulous and prefer generally, to make my own arrangements, but I do utilize them when needed.
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You must be incredibly busy – but do you not get bored since you have honed your craft to such a fine degree and must only repeat your recipe for a successful outcome on your new client? Once you have two successes under your belt, then what will you do?
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Continue on I suppose. Other programmers have lengthy client lists.
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Do you have any particular “hobbies”? Just stuff you like to do in your off time? Or are you one of those types of people who is mainly consumed by their work? Out of curiosity. Do you see psychologically – in all of its applications – as a sort of passion, or is it just a job?
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I enjoy cooking, folk music, and ancient history. As I’ve mentioned, I also take my physical regiment very seriously and spend a lot of time being active. Yes, the human psyche is a passion for me. It feels at times like an endless mystery. I wonder sometimes, if I do what I do in order to explore it in a way that would otherwise be forbidden.
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Do you think if you had a romantic partner you would “handle” her either out of preference or habit? Do you see interpersonal manipulation and knowledge thereof as something that benefits you in personal life or do you keep a boundary between your work and your other roles?
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I missed this Kayli. apologies. I’m a poor choice for romantic partner as it is my nature to do what I do. I wouldn’t intentionally ‘handle’ someone who should be an equal but I’m not sure that I could stop myself completely. Everyone has bad days.
I’d imagine it would take a very special person, likely with a great deal of knowledge regarding my work in order for a relationship to have a chance of working. My current relationships are distant, short term, and lukewarm at best.
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Well I figured something like that would probably be likely in your line of work. How about friendships? Dinner parties? That sort of thing. Or are you sort of a hermit?
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I attend mandatory events, events-as-needed for ‘work’. Socially I am a sort of hermit. I have very low tolerance for the inane – doing what I do and knowing what I know, I see the world through jaded eyes. Nearly everyone is participating in the lifestyle the organization has guided them to. I don’t find it to be a point of pride but of embarrassment that so many lack the intellect to see it. I wonder sometimes what could become of the earth if we attempted to steer ‘the masses’ rightly instead of discarding them. Which, of course is what led me to the conspiracy community. Nearly everyone has their eyes open, those operatives or unwitting operatives aside (actual ‘shills vs those so strictly well-programmed that they ascribe to the shill agenda i.e: most of the member naysayers on GLP who make it a goal to simply disprove anything they deem too fantastic). Some are simply mad or driven so by knowing the truth. But among those there will be a few that possess intellect, perspective, and grasp what things truly are. I digress.
Yes, it can be a lonely life. And while I enjoy the physical side of a relationship, the lasting ones always flow through the intellect. That’s the primary reason I involve myself in discussions like these. The irony isn’t lost on me: ‘Jos, the Lonely Illuminati Handler’. 😉
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I think that’s understandable. Heck, I mean simply being conspiratorial and intellectual about serious topics sort of makes it hard for one to find a mate in a society so focused on superficiality. I’d expect it would be something similar to celebrities who tend to seek mates amongst those from their own world rather than those outside it. What with those who are involved in the ‘shadow’ side of professionalism, whatever form that might take. Even GLPers have a surprising proportion of people who have met through GLP – perhaps simply because it is such a niche community. Did you stumble upon GLP by chance whilst looking into other subjects, or have you always had a foot among the conspiratorial, simply out of curiosity of whether or not anybody out here amongst us ‘plebs’ had the right idea about things?
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Aw yes it is important to find someone who “gets” you – for friendship or for a romantic partner. We are simply not meant to live in a cave. We are here with billions of others to interact and learn and mirror each other so we can find who we truly are by seeing ourselves in one another’s eyes. Sir Jos – you are so incredibly intelligent in such a niche profession, I’m sure it does get lonely. I’m honored that you converse with us. 🙂
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Kayli, GLP, Lunatic Outpost, et. al, was a curiosity for me. I wanted to see if anyone actually knew anything but then I got drawn further in watching as people began to manipulate – no – make up ‘truth’ in order to prey upon ‘searchers’ attentions and money. I’m no hero, far from it, but I do have a very strict code of conduct. I loathe a charlatan whether they are in it because they’re crazy (that fellow that provided all those ‘credentials’ toward the end of our GLP thread. I’d have relished a chance to discuss with him.) or because they are seeking your cash. I think perhaps “Solar Son” was after both of these.
Sometimes there is truth. You don’t have to have Illuminati in the title to find and report on something they’re doing. You likely don’t even know with certainty who the true perpetrators are.
I thought there might be some merit to the thread where the poster wanted to ‘throw shade at their bloodline family’. It started very strong but then it became clear that were a role player.
Andrea, it is my privilege to converse with you.
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Hey there Jos. My impression of the “jade my family” thread was similar to yours, except that I felt sort of skeptical from the onset and decided to override my impulse and give the thread a chance to change my mind more than once. I find myself feeling that if I were so inclined I could probably roleplay a better illuminati member than that OP, but games like that don’t interest me. I still look at the thread now and then to see what the OP ventures to answer but I can’t say I’m impressed with the quality. My stance on role-players and charlatans are that of they are sufficiently knowledgable and convincing even if their legitimacy is dubious they may be worthy of some consideration.
Sometimes very good fiction is informative. And if it is nonfiction, as it turns out – well then you’re a step ahead of the game for having read it. But I’m a writer – and a student of psychology – if I can’t bring myself to suspend disbelief, I cannot buy into the information or the premise and it’s not even entertaining really at that point. Perhaps I’m too picky but look, if you want to sell me on being an illuminati member, or an elite of some kind, I am hard pressed to believe you have a precollege level of literacy or eloquence. Maybe – if the information is absolutely astounding and the evidence is there – but I expect to be out-matched in knowledge by a true insider. Some threads – seem very popular (the jade my family is not the only or the first) but feel contrived to me intuitively. I suppose this is a ramble but – for all our considerable skepticism and critical thinking, many conspiracy theorists are easily sold by claimants. Clamoring for answers perhaps breeds over eagerness.
That OP has certain knowledge, but I consider myself something of a connoisseur of the mystical and it feels to me that his knowledge lacks depth. Statements like “free energy is solar” shows a profound absence of understanding of solar energy and its limitations and theories of free energy which integrate tesla and have nothing to do with solar power. I think if you are really an insider you would have a breadth of understanding which is comprehensive and detailed.
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I am making this a new reply, just to not nest too many comments within one question…and feel free to answer this one at your leisure…but with respect to shattering, can you describe the process? Does it proceed in days – weeks – months? Assuming an alter requires its own life history for example, how would you go about providing it one? Can you give an example of these “maintenance” trauma events?
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As you could guess, this depends upon the client’s reception of it.Generally it goes on for about ten months, never for more than 48-72 hours per session. Most sessions last only 8-12 hours. Though the program is a lengthy one, a client isn’t ‘locked up’ for a set amount of time save for the first 2-4 weeks where they will spend that time with a programmer in a facility of some kind, whether it be a ‘front’ institute of some kind or a programmer’s choice of housing.
Alters don’t require their own life histories per se, (complete reprogramming aside), they require life experiences from which, to draw. Almost always, the alter will draw upon the life experiences (memories) of the core, and apply their own personalities to those situations. Literally 99% of the time this is the case. However we must be sure and so various, faux life experiences are presented at random to meter reaction and to correct (if needed) and implant. That said, there are no guarantees and the myriad experiences someone could encounter are endless. Don’t place a client’s alter in a new situation without first simulating it. Rehearse, rehearse, rehearse.
Maintenance Events are varied and based upon the client’s anticipated reaction to it. Ari responds very well to betrayal events and so I use them most of all. She’s very trusting and clingy; quick to assimilate a new person deep into her life. Other more standard types of events may include: a physical trauma, witnessing something horrific, or being instructed to participate in an event that goes against the client’s nature.
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Can you talk in a little more detail about these facilities; where are they located? What are they like? Are they places hiding in plain sight, places where an ordinary member of the public could be admitted, places with their own website? Or are they veiled by many layers of misdirection, places nobody is ever likely to come across without intention? What is the “residential” period like – is there a lot of one-on-one time? Constant surveillance? Or just scripted experiences? Is the asset likely to emerge from the facility periodically to attend events or make public appearances? And is there any relationship of these places to “rehab”?
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I’d anticipated this follow-up question. 😉 A contract exists with a very prominent rehab/mental health facility company that provides for a programmer’s needs, but utilizing them is up to the individual programmer. Sometimes they are utilized as emergency facilities but that’s a rare need. Yes, these facilities are for the general public primarily. Special considerations are made for celebrity clients.
The residential period – for me – consists of exclusively one-to-one time. Other programmers threaten a client with general population but I find that to have too many uncontrolled variables. Surveillance is constant of course, as with any patient in any mental health facility. Some programmers employ assistants (I was one while working in sports). I have one as well, though I utilize her sparingly. Electronic means are employed as well, and are even used beyond in cases when say, a client gets a nose job that nobody told her to get.
The client is not discharged during the residency period as they are likely to be unable to function.
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How about drugs/medication or exotic treatments like ECT? Or is that not typically necessary? And this all falls under the heading of “voluntary” commitment I assume – if there is any record at all…
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I was kind of hoping you’d tell me underground military bases were involved…but perhaps they save those for the superspies (lol)
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Drugs, as you already know, are not for ‘my work’. Though I didn’t have to use them the first time as my client was remarkably well preconditioned and very much a dormouse. I’m not opposed to initial drug usage but nothing long term. They were utilized heavily in sports.
I will utilize shock, but only for its ability to impart trauma. And yes, of course it’s ‘voluntary’ (wink, wink).
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Of course I recall you saying that, but I wanted to double check. You’ve mentioned you make use of physical trauma quite a lot – pain, I take it. And sensory deprivation. How about lights and sound? Do those have any place in your work?
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There are certain U.S. government properties available. Many of them involve too much politics to make them worth their utilization.
I categorize sensory trauma with physical trauma. Yes, lights and particularly sounds are crucial elements as well as deprivation.
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I have another set of questions as well. I don’t believe these were ever asked on GLP.
Jos, you told us how you were introduced to the “Illuminati,” but how were you selected to do the work you do? You were in the Navy, and you met a colleague who was a bloodliner, but how and why were you recruited for psychological work specifically? How did they explain the need for such work? And also – what did your training entail? Who was your teacher? (no specific names needed, of course)
I understand these are open-ended questions. Feel free to address them one at a time at your leisure, or not at all. Lol 🙂
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Hi Andrea,
Though it didn’t happen that very first time, I realize that it was a recruitment more than a social call. I was already doing something very similar in the military. Explaining the need wasn’t necessary as I was part of a programming team there. I don’t even recall being all that surprised by the revelation of how Hollywood worked. I didn’t need a great deal of training as I was prepared for such during my stint with the Navy – the only difference being that the new asset was usually a 40kg female. Not the case in the beginning for me: I moved from soldiers/spies to american football to entertainment.
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What was it like handling soldiers and spies?
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Okay, so you proved your mettle in the Navy -thank you. I have a question about football and I’d like to hear your answer to Kayli’s question about soldiers and spies. Are the outcomes of the major championship games fixed or at least pushed toward one outcome or the other?
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Soldiers were rudimentary at best. We created regimental programs that imparted that ‘killer instinct’ and aided in training exercises that would weed out the weak minds and identified special forces candidates. It’s the ‘first step’ for someone like me. Most people don’t realize that PsyOps are used as much (more?) on a country’s own people, particularly soldiers, than for international purposes.
The Asset program wasn’t the Bourne Series that you are probably imagining. Many of them were merely trained in methods of bio-feedback, pain management, memory blocking, etc.. We also helped refine things like fear suppression down to overcoming an accent. They were all treated like golden children because in effect, they were. On occasion, some might be implanted with a triggered, black function.
Yes, every single professional sport save for the lesser profitable are ‘rigged’ and more blatantly so as time goes by. Example: Game 7. The lines between fantasy and reality are being blurred purposefully to test the masses’ acceptance. This isn’t to take away from the skill of the individual player. They are fiercely trained and kept at the peak of performance ability. That much is very, very real and every player goes out each night with intention to win at all costs. You don’t have to have an entire team ‘in on it’ to manipulate results.
Outcomes are not preordained well in advance. They allow story lines to develop organically and them manipulate it to their own ends. I hearken back to Game 7 as another example: Lebron’s ‘injury’ that lasted all of one TV Time Out. He sold it as though his arm had been crushed, but when it came time to shoot free throws, he was fine. He’ll go down in history as playing through the injury and that’s all anyone will ever remember. The NBA will have their next Legend.
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Okay – so given what I asked earlier, regarding lights and sounds…you see, there is something I’ve always wondered about – being a prior ‘raver’ when I was younger. I noticed that – the flashing lights, especially with the trance music – had a very curious state on consciousness – it was dissociating. I had friends, who were absolute pros with lights, too – either the finger lights or other forms, like poi (spinning balls of light) – and of course, performers (djs) always had a light technition to put on awesome light shows to trip out the audience. Of course half the appeal of raves and the whole electronica culture is being ‘tripped out’ in this way – I mean the drugs don’t hurt either. There’s a whole extra side to the mk ultra conspiracies involving the cia’s contribution to the deadhead movement – but I won’t get into that. essentially what my question boils down to, is how does this combination of rapid lights combined with music influence the brain, how can it be used for programming, and to what extent does it contribute to forming/blocking memories or creating triggers?
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It’s not the lights at all. It’s the combination of Dopamine, Adrenaline, and Survival Instinct.
Light shows and pounding bass, treble, mid… are all completely unnatural to the human body and mind. Consider: we are effectively rendering ineffective two of our most primary survival senses. First the brain panics, trying to trigger your flight impulse (It’s usually felt first in the pit of the stomach). If you ignore that survival instinct, the brain attempts to dissociate as a defense mechanism (the trip). Adrenaline is released increasing the effects of the dopamine your body is likely already producing (especially if you’ve ingested any drugs), amplifying the sensation.
With a warning (assuming they do cause your mind to trigger), try to go to a light show that has no musical accompaniment. You’ll find they are far less effective without the sound as the brain is far more comfortable having at least one if it’s primary defenses intact.
Now, lights are important to programming for obvious reasons. We need to make sure that clients (who wind up surrounded by elaborate light shows often) are not inadvertently triggered by same. Should a client show warning signs that lights and music might activate them, then program statements are laced into the earpiece as needed.
More, lights are rarely used as triggers as they are commonly encountered and difficult to quickly acquire. Triggers should be elaborate enough to avoid accidents but simple enough to be called upon quickly in emergency.
That isn’t to say that lights could not ‘trigger’ a traumatic memory. That’s an entirely different trigger. Often though, it’s the ‘trip’ that triggers, not the method used to achieve that trip.
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Whoa, this is totally fascinating! Thanks. You’re absolutely right, it’s certainly the combination of lights and music that triggers the intensely altered state. Would you say that the light shows encountered by the masses at most concerts are purely for euphoria? I am also curious if you know anything about the electronic music scene – whether there is any illuminati involvement for major DJs and whether handling an electronica producer is any different than say a pop star. Or rock star for that matter. I will say I’ve seen some DJs that are simply amazing at “syncing” to their audiences state of mind – almost like they have their fingers on the pulse of the whole mind of the show. It’s sort of weird. Can you give me an example of a programming statement? Is it something silly like, “the duck flies at midnight”? Do you use music in your programming at all? You know that old trope – clockwork orange I believe – where the guys eyes are taped open and he’s forced to watch propaganda? Is repetition a part of your work?
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Wow – this definitely makes sense. Sound certainly has a powerful effect on mind, and in combination with the light stimulus overwhelming the senses – I can see how it can induce dissociation. Shamanic drumming, for instance, has long been used to induce trance states.
So this brings me to an odd question – what about scents? I’ve read that the sense of smell is most closely tied to memory, and smells associated with a memory, fond or otherwise, bring up the feelings associated with that memory as well.
I have two examples of this from my own experience – one is positive and one is negative. I love the scent of cigars and pipe smoke. When I smell them I get a warm and cozy feeling. This is because I associate these smells with my childhood in Germany sitting in the Gasthaus with my mother and father. This is a memory of feeling warm and loved and eating good food while the old German men smoked their pipes and cigars, drank their beer and laughed and sang.
I hate the smell of a particular men’s cologne – I never knew the name of it, and I haven’t smelled it in a long time. I lived in Japan as part of my graduate school program. While I was there I met an Australian young man – a kickboxing champion. I dated him very briefly and found him to be a bit unstable and violent. I tried to gently break away from him, but he began to stalk me. One night I woke up, and he had broken into my apartment. He was sitting in my room watching me sleep. He was high as a kite on Ice (I think that is what Meth used to be called).
I had let him borrow my Anne Rice books about vampires. He had apparently been reading them, and in his high state he told me he was convinced I was a vampire (lol). He said he wouldn’t leave until I admitted I was a vampire and turned HIM into one! ha! It would have been funny if I hadn’t been scared to death. I remained calm and treated him very kindly. I eventually talked him down and got him to leave. That night he had been wearing his particular brand of cologne. It was very strong.
He ended up leaving Japan because he could not renew his Visa (thank god), but a few months later while I was still in Tokyo, I was waiting in line in a store. I smelled that same cologne – at the same strength he used to wear it. The fragrance wafted up to me from someone in line behind me. Fear shot up my spine. I was too scared to turn around. The fear was so strong I began to scan the room ahead to see if I could run and find a hiding spot. Finally, I calmed down and snuck a peak behind me. There was no big Australian monster man – there was only a slight Japanese boy.
Anyway, I know that was a long story lol – but the point was really about how strongly the scent of that cologne affected me. I didn’t even realize how scared of him I was until I smelled that scent again. Sheesh.
I realize that a scent would be hard to control potentially unless it is very unique, but is it ever purposefully utilized in controlling emotions?
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Kayli,
Your phrasing is bit difficult to answer. The short answer is yet: The lights/sounds are to achieve an altered state, however that altered state is intended to positively reinforce message and to make the subject more receptive to it. A lot of suggestion has been worked into a performer’s dialogue with the audience one more (as it was on the 1960’s) where political and social views are ‘suggested’ by the star. If you go to concerts, you’ll note that this dialogue is never engaged until 3-4 songs have passed and the altered state has been achieved:
Example:
Do you guys like to party? **cheers**
Is everyone feeling good tonight? **cheers**
I think all guns should be banned! Let’s disarm hate! **cheers**
Sound Engineers are controlled via money. They don’t get to record the ‘big stars’ without being on board with a specific sound. This is both organic and implanted.
DJ’s on the other hand are most often sounding boards – monkey see, monkey do. Talented ones can ‘read’ their audience, but most of them don’t need to. Almost all follow an unspoken template for the proper reaction. To witness an example of this template programming, join any professional DJ mailing list (like PRoDJ). Not everyone on that list are DJ’s and it’s those ‘agents’ who impart templates for successful shows. Of course after a bit of time, barring new entrants, the ‘sheep’, begin to follow the well-worn path without direction. it’s been several years since I looked into this but I think as music goes it was: 8-beat, 16-beat x 2, 4-beat, repeat. It’s necessary to take into consideration the venue as well as the ‘community vibe’ before choosing any template though. The DJ at a club in NYC just after 9/11 should know what to play in order to invoke the desired reaction.
Now, as far as ear piece goes: I truly love your idea. Unfortunately I don’t think that’s going to get what we are looking for. When this action is necessary it usually involved empowerment phrases and alter encouragement.
“You are KILLING IT!”, “Well done “Alter Name”!”, “Focus, you own them!”, “Wow, this might be your best performance yet!”, “Big lights, stay the course!”
And of course, “The duck flies at midnight!” which, is something we’ll be adding in the future.
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Andrea,
What a remarkable life you’ve lead thus far. I too have a similar association to ‘smokeless tobacco’. Unfortunately there’s no grand story behind it and no, I don’t use it. As for your boyfriend story, I must say, that almost sounds like a scripted event – something out of my playbook for pre-shattering. I don’t wear cologne though. Perhaps I should. Thank you.
Olfactics is used heavily in my work as are all forms of sensory input. It can often be the fastest way to set ambiance, assuming you know the asset’s association with a particular smell (which can also be manufactured as is your case with the cologne).
I believe that smell and touch operate at a higher function due to proximity. We can hear things far away, see them as well, but dangerous, intense smells and most especially touch identify more immediate threat or more immediate pleasure. We can see the charging rhino from afar and assess that we have time to move. We can hear it and assess the same. But if we smell it or worse, feel it, it’s probably too late. Likewise when we can smell or feel a lover, then they are close. you can usually lump taste with smell as well.
I prefer to think of this as our ‘caveman quantification’. The basest, most primal use of our senses has never changed, likely will never change, and therefore are the most direct route to our minds.
As we humans have advanced it’s clear that we haven’t truly advanced at all when stripped of all our inventions. The pity is found in the fact that we often overlook those ‘caveman quantification’ now, when they will lead us, more than anything, to truth. As I’ve said before, stop breathing for long enough and you will still die, regardless of man’s inventions.
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That’s fair. And yes, to a degree. There were several factors working against me. So long as it doesn’t interfere with the program – it hasn’t – then I don’t suppose it’s forbidden. That character reminds me of simpler times.
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Do you take advantage of ‘transference’/’countertransference’ and investigate your clients family history to that effort ?
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Of course. We take every advantage we can find. Family history is vital. We will always utilize familiar phrases and experiences in an attempt to transfer attachments to the team. Bellissima.
Olfaction is actually more paramount in this effort, reinforced with keywords or experiences. Additionally compound transference can help drive home an association. For example: Utilizing a positively associated phrase/touch/experience with any other phrase/touch/experience: The smell of the ocean combined with the grandfather’s nickname for the client. These anomalous associations help to create the illusion that in fact, the programmer is ‘all things’ to the asset. More directly, you can present the familiar in a more ordered manner, i.e. mom’s perfume + her favorite preferred praise lexicon, dad’s favorite shirt/art/sandwich… This method is utilized by team members first in order to become a ‘trusted, safe space’.
Once a level of capture-bonding is achieved during the shattering reinforcement period, the programmer begins to utilize this method heavily as well. Of course this goes in reverse too. We can utilize the same and associate it with negative experiences to break a bond as easily as we can use it to divert one.
Regarding counter transference: Are we speaking authentically? I am guilty of a sort of counter-transference as it pertain to the television character on an emotional level but with no singular association. Rather my CT is achieved by many, varied life experiences, even a bit of fantasy. I use the term ‘fantasy’ not in a sexual manner, but referring more to the idea of something pristine. on a physical level, I’ve developed a fondness for red hair and brown eyes. Obviously there is always a level of CT with any client beyond the first but if it goes deeper than that, then the programmer is likely in the wrong profession. CT is such a broad, categorical phenomenon that it isn’t easily defined. it has many levels, some appropriate and easily defined as something else, others more specific and improper. I am ‘fond’ of Cat, but that doesn’t definitively make me categorically guilty of CT. Does any of this make sense?
I’m beginning to feel as though we are ‘in session’. Thank you doctor, for your time. I’ll have a check cut and mailed this week.
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Heh! Well, I won’t deny that I find the psychology of the handler something that interests me greatly. I think there was a period of time where I was obsessed with straight vanilla ‘sociopathy’ as such. There was a person who called herself “M.E” who blogged about being a sociopath and I thought at the time I was in love with one and wanted to understand it. From what I’d read Sociopaths were people who didn’t experience empathy and couldn’t relate to emotions like guilt or real “love” in the same way that an “empath” could. So I was wondering, what that would be like – to inhabit the mind of a person that experienced the world through a particularly callous lens, because I have – myself, always been a person with the opposite problem – I am highly, highly sensitive – oversensitive would not be inaccurate. My fascination with psychology stemmed from the desire to put myself inside of the ‘head’ of other people, so that I could, in some imaginal capacity, simulate their experience, and see through the lens with which they saw the world. And with sociopaths – because I have always been so highly sensitive, and emotional just generally – I found that I wasn’t able to do that. When I found some first person accounts of what being a sociopath was like, for example from this enigmatic blogger ‘M.E’, I was fascinated. She (I didn’t know this at the time – in fact I thought M.E was a man for a long time because the way she wrote was fairly androgynous) wrote about her successful ‘seductions’, the ‘hunt’, the mindgames – the thrill of the chase – of enticing those whom she desired, of messing with them. That I suppose is why I mention this – I could see where the thrill would lie, for a sociopath, in the mind game of being a handler. And I think that I sussed sociopathy out, more than enough to satisfy my curiosity…but this was before I ever got seriously into anything remotely conspiratorial. The mind control subject was an entirely different level of fascination. I looked into it enough to realize that all general reasoning and evidence pointed to its existence in society beyond the long-renounced MK Ultra project, and as a longtime student of psychology this opened some big black doors that I had to learn more about. Our interaction has been extremely valuable to me.
When you say, “if it’s anything beyond fondness you are probably in the wrong profession”, do you think there is perhaps a connection between having naturally sociopathic inclinations and ensuring that you never transgress the boundary from fondness to something more? What I mean by that – is that perhaps some of the ‘coldness’ is really preferable, so that there isn’t an interference that could prevent the outcome of the relationship from being achieved?
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I don’t mind being on the couch. I am intrigued by what you draw from my answers.
I believe that Sociopathy, ASPD, (and whatever other name you’d choose for it) is a result of immaterial social constructs. I believe that subjects with this diagnosis imposed it upon themselves as a result of witnessing the fallacy of mass acceptance of immaterial social falsehoods. I believe that above-average intellect is required for this self-imposed diagnosis, intellect that leads to the realization that those around you are not equipped (and/or disinterested) to provide for your care and needs. I recall creating the condition within myself. I had always had a tendency to approach any situation calmly and clinically. I relished solving a problem over creating one, and I do remember feeling empathy for someone suffering a trauma. However I also came to view that no one was truly concerned with my interests so much as I was; that I alone would have to provide for anything beyond the scope of my physical survival. I was an exceptional student without peer, and for a time I also began to believe that I was above the typical life-experience, People to me were simply ‘furnishings’, stupid, and of limited use. And so I began to separate myself from them (and their problems), to put up walls and disconnect myself from any meaningful contact. That changed when I was forced to attend a party. I watched as they interacted, all of them attempting to play a ‘social game’ to facilitate their desired outcome. And that’s when I became interested in the social construct of life, the fact that no one was ever sincerely genuine and nothing was ever at stated value. More, I decided that this was something that I could utilize to achieve my desired outcomes, but I couldn’t do it as ‘they’ did. I wanted to be nuanced, subtle, and masterful. You see, probably born of my disdain for people, I developed a thieves code that rejected lewdness, rudeness, poor culture – I was a pauper who wanted to be a gentlemen at least, if not more. I was very good at influencing the social construct and that eventually led to my interest in doing it professionally. Humans ceased being a revulsion to me and instead became a fascination, the ultimate field of study.
I don’t take pleasure in the suffering of others (never have) – I see these trauma events as an opportunity to transform and grow. These clients of mine, they are creatures driven by the shallow, vague concept of fame, fortune, and celebrity. It has, since they were very small, been their only motivations. What I do for (to) them allows for the realization of there life goals. More, they are able to become their ‘perfect self’ after the shattering. I wonder if they would choose to fulfill their dreams if they knew what was involved in attaining them? They always say ‘no’, but I’m not sure I believe them.
I do not utterly lack empathy – I think that it’s vital to being an effective programmer – but I also don’t allow myself to become invested in someone else’s problem (even if I created that problem). Problems, the introduction of controlled chaos, will almost always lead to positive outcomes.
it is anomalous that I’d be drawn to such a scatterbrained persona. I think it is the character’s point of view and approach to life. Certainly had I never had to watch either of those shows, they wouldn’t be a part of my viewing schedule.
To answer your multi-part question simply: yes. Anything beyond fondness could easily lead to misguided or inappropriate application (or lack thereof)) modalities to future growth. You can’t worry about your own desires as a handler. You must be fiercely outcome-based for the sake of the client. After all, you have shattered this person. Do not do them disservice, do not have them have suffered as they suffered only to derail their future with your own self-interests.
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First of all, let me begin by apologizing for my previous post. I pride myself on my communication skills and that typo-riddled monstrosity is far from the integrity that I strive for. I blame it on enjoying our conversation. While I should have been working I was replying and didn’t proof my work. My apologies. I don’t intend to repeat that.
Hand signs are obvious and not very useful. Rather, preferred non-verbal communication is made via eye contact, facial expression, and the all important earpiece. There’s no ‘three blinks means yes’ though. Rather the communication is achieved via the emotion portrayed in the expression. Still, a cough or a throat clearing does function as a ‘trigger’ in the classical sense of the word. Anyone stops and even reconsiders when they hear one while speaking.
Dissociation/Alter disjunction can sometimes be recognized in the regular testing of an asset. As a part of their usual regimen, they take tests of acumen. These are not completely determinate however as they must be performed when a disjunction is nigh and celebs don’t have time to take word tests everyday. Dream journals are important and reported and can sometimes lead to discovery, but this too is unreliable.
There are basically four phases of disjunction, usually referred to as “hang’ for simplicity. they are (in order of severity): Loss if fast-recall.
* Struggling with answers to simple questions in optimal, distraction-free conditions.
* “Zoning Out” for extended periods. usually accompanied with an unseemly facial expression (they are trained to consider image first), limp body and posture. Pupils may dilate or they may not.
* Alter dissociation (alters unaware of current experiences of other alters), self-triggering, slow or no response to triggers, hyper-triggering, inappropriate reactions and responses (laughing at funerals, etc.)
* Complete partition destruction, all alters vying for control. Usually results in frustration and anger of all alters and they seek to act out aggressively against the core. The core is a sort of conductor of the choir, the intersection through which, they all pass. This is often caused by self-realized alters as well – identities that the asset creates unguided.
The idea of a tissue is an old one. It’s been around for many decades. However in 1924 a company came along called Kimberly-Clark who called their tissue a Kleenex. Over the years, through exceptional advertising ALL tissues regardless of manufacturer became a Kleenex.
There are two causes for the Mandela Effect: Priority assignment and memory allocation. Let’s take the Lion/Lamb controversy as an example. Consider first, what makes sense. Are lions often seen preying on lambs? Or is it more likely that a wolf would be doing so?
Now let’s consider what seems most lyrical.
1) The wolf shall lay down with the lamb.
2) The lion shall lay down with the lamb.
#2 seems far more catchy, in fact you could almost sing it. La, La, La is literally in the verse. The mind likes things that aid it in cataloging, think of it as ‘keywords’ for the memory,. La, La, La. Add the fact that lions are used heavily metaphorically (and sometimes literally) throughout the bible, and you have a predisposition – in fact a preconditioning to draw upon the lion as a symbol of danger and/or strength. The word lion appears in some form within the texts (lion, lioness, lion cub, lion of judah) hundreds of times. The word “wolf” appears five times. Similarities between the two animals exist as well: both are predators. Both present an equal danger to the lamb. More the spirit of the phrase is unchanged regardless of animal – The cobra shall lay down with the lamb – meets with little objection from even those who know better and thus the mistake is assigned a low priority.
Regarding Looney Tunes: When you were small, you watched these things with little interest in the logo screen. But when you did read it, you read it with “Looney Tunes” written in one, centered font and “cartoon” in the lower right hand corner in another font (see here: https://s3.amazonaws.com/intanibase/iad_screenshots/1955/5740/18.jpg) . Your mind found an association: LOONey and cartOON. Unimportant, you assigned this logo low priority and your brain agreed. It allowed you to store the memory as “Looney Toons”.
And now for a masterful example of preconditioning:
I know this is well, post-shattering but it’s still a classic example of preconditioning.
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It was your duck flies commentary that really got me – I didn’t notice any typos! (Though I make typos often myself, having an edit button certainly helps)
I understand your explanation of the Mandela effect is quite the most rational version of it…but I swear something still strikes me as odd about this stuff. Then again I’ve seen some rather … Weird things… Maybe a story for another time though, I don’t really want to digress or derail here. Okay, so let’s talk a little bit about the alters… I know you say there are typically three that you try and make. The alters are achieved post-shattering, is that right? Are they made gradually over time, or do they get made in a facility where there is frequent one on one time? I’m guessing ideally – there is shared memories between alters, is that right? It would seem terribly inconvenient to have amnesiac gaps in memory on a frequent basis if you are in the limelight and constantly being held accountable for everything you do and say.
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I seem to have gotten out of cadence with our posting order.
The “Duck Flies” Comment got a chuckle from me as well. Consider it reciprocated. 😉
I know that the Mandela Effect is much more entertaining with timeline shifts and alternate dimensions but you likely knew that my response to it would be rational and boring. I find that there are plenty of amazing things in the quantifiable world without delving into high-minded concepts that usually aren’t very well researched. Consider: an entire ‘plane of existence’ in which, only one inconsequential phrase is different from our previous? What a waste of ‘cosmic energy’.
Alters are ‘born’ from and during Shattering. They are a result of one-to-one programming via various methods including all of the modalities we’ve previously discussed as well as role playing. The desired outcome is a personality that has access to the core’s life experiences unless otherwise required. They don’t have to have complete access however, as they are generally utilized for very specific functions in very specific environments. But to be safe, you want an alter to be equipped to avoid ‘hang’ by being thrown a scenario without frame-of-reference. The Entertainment News community is fairly cruel as well, and will often try to test the quality of a programmer’s work by trying to throw the asset.
Regarding memory gaps and Alters: My first client does have an unreliable alter as it pertains to shared life experiences, but that isn’t due to failed connection, it has to do with the personality. This was her first television show character – a scatter-brained type who has hours of dialogue from which, to draw as replacement life-experiences. Conflicts will sometimes arise between core life experience and memory access (CLE) and alter life experience and memory access (ALE) in cases like this. And yes, that’s bad. And yes, I try to address it often though I am effectively trying to change the nature of a ‘forgetful cartoon character’. I chose this character as the ‘first’ because I figured it’d be the simplest to implant (and a bit out of fondness). in hindsight, it was probably my only misstep.
To expound upon your earlier question regarding what makes a client experience a break: Overwork, Stress, Bad Diet, Sleep Deprivation, Exhaustion, and No Frame of Reference, are all contributing factors but the primary causes are: self-realized alters and drug-use/abuse. Sometimes an underutilized alter can also cause the same as they ‘lead the rebellion’ but this and a drug-induced ‘hang’ are extremely rare.
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I’d have sworn I already responded to this. Timeline shift? 😉
Alters are realized during the ‘Shattering’ and built upon over time. It’s achieved via an exceptional amount of one-to-one time utilizing the modalities we’ve previously discussed as well as a fair amount of immersive role playing. The goal is for all alters to utilize core’s life experiences except in situations where a specific experience is lacking or undesired in which, case one will be implanted via redundancy. It’s quite normal for an alter to automatically call upon the core’s life experiences, memory, knowledge, et. al. though. Each one is unique and could potentially classify as their own ‘person’, they are more of ‘persona’.
If I could say that I made any mistakes with my first client, it would be with her first alter, the character she plays on television. The ‘lore’ of that character was substantial enough that life experiences intermingled creating confusion and sometimes hang. Thankfully the character is aloof and so the confusion can often seem appropriate. As I mentioned, this alter was non-essential and so in hindsight I would have gone another route. Still, she was the most logical inception (she was already in there) and I admit to being fond of her.
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Do you think being somebody’s handler created a kind of Lima Syndrome? (The last sentence you wrote promoted that question)
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Okay thanks for that last reply, I just got off work and that got a genuine laugh out of me, and another when I thought about it a few minutes later. I probably looked pretty idiotic in the supermarket laughing at nothing but whatever. Okay I have a few questions, sorry if the train of thought seems sort of odd or disjointed. First: hand signs? do you use them? On that note, are there special signals ever that you train clients to recognize like blinking coughing in a specific way facial expressions etc? I think you see what I’m getting at. Another question: are you and your team trained to recognize dissociation on sight, and if so what are you looking for, what are flags or warning signs of disintegration beyond the obvious meltdown – perhaps if you didn’t want to wait for it to get that bad. Related to that: what tends to cause breakdowns in programming for most stars? And finally: are you familiar with the mandela effect? For example, I am positive that it used to be “looney toons” yet when I look it up it IS “looney tunes”. Frankly this feels impossible. Does the illuminati fuck with google to see if people will accept an altered version of history? I cannot wrap my head around the change in the bible verse – from “and the lion shall dwell with the lamb” to “the WOLF shall dwell with the lamb” – but it changed! This is fucking with my head!
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I just watched that video, wow! Do you have any other interesting tidbits from youtube offhand to help illustrate some of these concepts?
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I’ll see if I can find a few. Regarding youtube, you can also look for ‘Slips’, brief moments when an alter appears. Think of it as ‘passing by the window’. We aren’t concerned with these unless they are prolonged.
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Jos, what the heck is up with Kanye’s new music vid “Famous”?
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I haven’t seen it. I’ll have a look and report back, likely tomorrow.
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Here you are Kayli. http://news.nationalpost.com/arts/music/a-guide-to-all-the-naked-celebrities-in-bed-with-kanye-west-in-famous-his-newest-video
I watched the video several times and read through the lyrics. I didn’t find anything all that telling.
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Jos, what is an “immersive roleplay”? Does it involves numerous people who are all trained to act out an event that engages the subject in a real way, even though it is for a predetermined behavioral outcome?
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Kayli,
I am trying to follow your posting cadence. Let me know if you’d prefer I reply in a different way.
Though I don’t use “Oz” or “Alice” modalities, I do use some similar ones that sometimes involve my assistant and if necessary, more. Usually it’s just me if at all possible. I attempt to cut through the ‘bloat’ of those two modalities and get to the core of the training with various exercises.
It’s a delicate subject, but to try to speak in generalities: Dorothy was quite distraught when she believed she’d accidentally killed the witch. We get rid of the ‘accident’ and the supernatural creature in favor of something more realistic.
Other times we are asked to be animals for a day or things similar. As for the immersive part, aside from participants we will use sensory input to complete the illusion.
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Kayli, I’m not sue you are getting my replies. That or you haven’t been back to the page to moderate and approve. If the latter, no problem. If the former, then we may have a problem with replies.
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Yup, virtually ALL of them were relegated to spam, which doesn’t ping on my phone at all and doesn’t even show up for moderation on the wordpress app. I will be checking the spam flag far more often right now, but why the hell wordpress started spam flagging all of your posts all of a sudden is a complete mystery to me. Maybe find one of the proxies that has not given you trouble and stick to that one? Might help…gosh it’s weird though
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I know I asked elsewhere but, how are sleepers made and for what purpose? Are immersive roleplays involved in that as well?
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Sleepers (Shadow Speculum) are utilized to perform a specific usually singular, function in situations where subterfuge and plausible deniability are most needed. They are shattered in a similar method as celebrities but in a more rudimentary, abrupt manner. Usually they are acquired from within the target, playing some role as a trusted member of such, though occasionally ‘agents’ are programmed with such for various purposes. No matter the asset and their function, a ‘sleeper’ will be implanted with an uninhibited (fear, morality, etc) shadow personality. in some cases this shadow personality will be more of an altered state, while in others a more complete personality may be instilled. Again, it depends upon the activity.
The use of role play is dependent upon the asset’s receptiveness. If they have some pre-existent ‘persona’ in their minds, then a role play appealing to that persona will is usually effective when reinforced with trauma. I refer to this method as ‘the wedge’ and employ it as a preference. Everyone has another version of themselves in their minds, but some aren’t as developed as others. In the case of an under-developed persona (or lack of knowledge of said persona on the part of the programming team), then confusion is most often employed, guiding them to create and develop the persona in a way that is conducive to the desired outcome. There are two ways to manifest this and two primary circumstances that determine which method will be attempted:
1) Ample opportunity and access to the subject (someone who’s gone on an extended vacation, rehab… any hiatus that will remove them from visibility.
Preferred Method (assuming subject is receptive): Something akin to an old fashioned ‘Clockwork Orange” scenario. This is a very effective method involving pharma, and sensory modalities.
2) Limited access – the workaholic is constantly monitored or regularly observed in some way.
Preferred Method (Again, receptiveness is paramount): Speculum. This is far less invasive, just as effective, much more organic, and nearly invisible. However this most often involves a great deal of time and cost as you must access the subject in short bursts over a long period of time as opposed to the more traditional method of ’28-days’. More, depending upon the criteria, there may be a number of ‘cooks in the kitchen’ and humans make mistakes.
Given that the classic method immediately brings to mind the modalities of such, I’ll give you a quick timeline regarding the Speculum Method (Sleeper Speculum).
* Encourage and guide creation of unenforced alter. Apply trauma.
* Monitor (as you can) subject for approximately 14-28 days during which, time they will begin to reinforce the alter naturally.
* Introduce trauma via betrayal and reinforce with additional trauma
* Begin programming via regular sessions, trauma events, trigger events
An asset creates their own initial ‘trigger’, during the initial encounter when guided by the programmer. For example: During the highest moments of emotion, introduce an unusual phrase, a strange sound, uncommon touch, smell, taste, or sight. It’s up to the programmer as to whether or not that trigger becomes permanent but most will utilize it unless it’s inappropriate or obvious.
Glad we are ‘at it again’ Kayli.
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Me too! Your presence here has been greatly missed, as has your knowledge.
So, what kind of profile of individual is chosen for this sort of program? I’m guessing not any old average joe would be picked for it. Perhaps people with familial ties to intelligence, or something of that nature? Is it consensual on any level? Random? What are they looking for in a sleeper, in terms of psychology?
Have you seen the movie “American Ultra”? Is there anything true about it or was it really just sort of a joke in poor taste (I liked it, actually, myself, but most people didn’t really get it)
Another question regarding the practical nature of something like this – a sleeper – is regarding reinforcement. Unlike a star I’d imagine a sleeper would go for a very long time without exposure, right? Or is it something like the trigger is so deeply embedded that at the right time, when it goes off, it really only needs to affect a person one time?
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Sleeper Programming can be successful in virtually anyone and sometimes it’s not who you want but who you need. That said; optimally the subject will have a military background of some kind. This is to include ‘army brats’ who often present a duality of being exposed to military level MK (dad or mom almost always pass along their values and beliefs after all) as well as confederate tendencies (due to lack of time with said parent, rebellion against excessive discipline, etc.).
In the case that you can’t acquire an optimal candidate, anyone with trauma in their background is a solid second choice. So, to list in highest priority, the ideal candidate will have:
Military Background
Frequent or Prolonged Exposure to Military MC
Trauma in Background
Sports/Acting/Performing Background (at least college level and not far removed from it)
Any sort of Media Fanatic
Demonstrated Desire to Rebel (Felony Convictions)
Demonstrated Desire to Rebel (Misdemeanor Convictions, parking tickets, speeding, etc, Participation/Advocacy of Counter Culture)
I haven’t seen the film but I will, for the sake of our discussion.
Mind Control of any kind must be maintained and sometimes reinforced. The length of time really doesn’t matter – they won’t ‘completely forget’ – but they must be tested occasionally to ensure that triggers are still effective and that programmed outcome is still in place. Unlike celebrities, we don’t usually get to monitor sleepers as a part of routine, so opportunities to do so must be arranged. Of course the subject will have no idea that these lost hours happened, (we take every practical precaution to ensure they don’t know they lost that time), though sometimes they still do. This is necessary roughly once every 4-7 years for sleepers who are not regularly activated.
As a part of the implanted outcome, sleepers are also seeded with a tendency to look for guidance from within certain keyword groups. For example: If the asset lived in a specific area and they became concerned that they were ‘going crazy’, we’d provide a name-trigger of a doctor associated with the organization.
Other maintenance-triggers like this can include a desire to vacation in a certain place, travel an alternate route home, or take a Facebook Personality Test from their feed.
The activation trigger is quite a different story. As you said, this is usually a one-time, one-event sort of activation, though not always. Some sleepers may be activated regularly to provide briefings, for example.
Now, a caveat: I have never lead the programming of a sleeper. I have assisted in such, but this isn’t my area of specialty. Much of this information is based upon personal experiences as a student/assistant with the added benefit of the now-culminated experiences of my own work. I don’t really know the extent of the civilian sleeper program and I’m quite certain no one would share anything greater than hearsay-level information if I asked. The colleague whom I assisted was masterful in his outcome-based methods but the assets were always intelligence operatives. We never created a civilian ‘sleeper’ (called “Black Function” back then). That isn’t to say they do not exist. I can say with certainty that they do. But when I say that it isn’t pervasive, I base this only on the knowledge of the size of the team who handles that work.
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So, is there generally a person assigned to manage a sleeper in a similar way that there is a person assigned to handle a celebrity – obviously, there’s a completely different outcome involved, and differently motivated processes. But there is a person, or group of people, with information about what the sleepers function is, and what their triggers are, and whom retrigger when necessary? Are sleepers monitored at times, or upon occasion? Are there circumstances that are ‘arranged’ for them, such as jobs that serendipitously hire, or – to use the example of ‘a sudden desire to take a personality test on their facebook feed’ – somebody who, leaves that personality test with the knowledge the asset will be motivated to take it?
Are they typically utilized for ‘one-off’ purposes, and then left alone, or is there a more categorical periodic use for them? I know you said – the activation trigger tends to be a ‘one-event’ activation. By that, do you mean they are permanently activated afterwards, or that there is a specific ‘mission’ they are designed to fulfill, and they are only generally activated one time, to do what is designated of them?
How do alters play a role in the formation of sleepers? Regarding most celebrities you said there are three major alters that are sought after by programmers; the sex kitten, the performer, the entertainer. So, what kind of alters are sought after for sleepers – or does it perhaps depend on what their function is.
What does it mean to be an ‘activated sleeper’? Would that perhaps be classified as an altered state of consciousness? Does it involve, an amnesia that follows the activation and prevents accurate recollection? How long does it tend to persist?
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Fascinating information about the sleeper program – thank you! As I had mentioned on the thread on GLP – I am a military brat, my father was in the psyops program, and I had some strange illnesses and hallucinations in a Heidelberg military hospital as a young child in the early 70s lol. Even so, I do not think I am programmed. Whatever they did or attempted maybe didn’t take?
In any case, I am also so glad you are back and the issues resolved. 🙂 I have barely been online the past couple of weeks – so I apologize for my absence.
I do have another question for you, Jos. Have you heard of “targeted individuals – aka TIs” and “gang stalking?” Does such targeting actually occur? If so, why?
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Consider:
The purpose of gang stalking: To hurt someone’s feelings and make them feel ostracized
the outcome: See above
The logistics: A large group to an entire community, all colluding – because that always works flawlessly
The cost: Astronomical
All of these to make someone feel ostracized?
Even if these folks were ‘state witnesses’, they’d simply disappear, not get refused service at the local McDonalds.
Now, that said, ‘gang stalking’ does occur organically sometimes. Consider the case of the drunk driver who accidentally killed a bus load of children. This isn’t something organized. It’s universal, real, disdain.
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Weird thought I approved that comment. Have you been busy Jos or just waiting on a question that catches your interest?
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Actually no. I’ve answered everything I think. Something is amiss. Perhaps this is getting too large for the blog format?
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Kayii, I think that my proxy may have been messing with my responses. I’ve responded to all of the above multiple times. Let’s see if this new proxy will remedy the problem.
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Really? That is incredibly strange. I usually get a little ping on my phone when somebody leaves a comment and then I can approve it or whatnot. No such pings have been registering at all…I know glp has such a regulatory function with respect to proxies and banning certain users but I am aware of no such thing with wordpress – not that I known of at least. I always assumed blog admins had all the power to regulate what can appear on the comments section, generally even if the system flags it as spam you can take a look at it. Okay wait – the system is flagging it as spam which is why its not notifying me of your replies. I will keep an eye on that from now on. I’m not sure why it started suddenly happening.
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Let me know if you are still having an issue.
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I wish that I had the power to sort of clean up / organize the comments section or at least move the reply box to the top rather than the bottom but unfortunately I’m running basic wordpress and they don’t let me do a whole lot. Anyway, so I had a question regarding certain methods. I know that I mentioned electroshock earlier and whether you guys employed that method and I believe your answer was that, yes, you did, as it is an effective physical trauma. I had some questions, sort of out of curiosity, about electroshock. I guess my curiosity is sort of vague. It seems sort of like a barbarian way of treating mental illness, but apparently for some people it works. Is there an actual science and methodology to it? A difference perhaps in when it is applied therapeutically or for purposes of traumatizing? Is it a method of reinforcing a behavior or the opposite? Can it be used to prevent the formation of new memories?
Part two of the question. You mentioned you don’t personally use drugs on clients, but that they can be effective for creating sleepers. What pharmaceuticals are generally employed? Are we talking memory inhibiting psychotropics like barbiturates? Are they ever used – in conjunction perhaps with something like electroshock – is that dangerous?
Part three of the question. Was monarch ever a real thing or was that a made up name used to refer to something different? There is a lot of speculation because nothing with that project name was ever officially declassified. Some, like Cathy O’Brian, have ‘called out’ the monarch program. Some say, that it has to do with ‘the butterfly’ of ‘psyche’. I know you mentioned that celebrities tend to repeat the symbols that have been meaningful in their own programming and that in that way they tend to get leaked to the public. The Illuminati symbols are becoming more common from what I can tell, just as pop icons and on t-shirts worn by the general public. It’s becoming sort of like an ‘in’ thing which – well as an actual occultist even and a person who studies mythic themes and symbolisms – strikes me as rather disturbing. There does seem to be an obsession with monarch butterflies. It’s one of those things that appears all over the place in pop culture, especially music videos, and to me it has a very clear relationship to mind control. So where would you suppose that would come from – that is why would a celeb latch onto that symbol?
Have you ever heard of a ‘GOLEM’? It’s a Jewish folklore thing, they are these automatons with a sealed mark on their forehead. They always do as they are commanded by their creators, and when the mark on their forehead is rubbed away they dissolve back into clay. Many have asserted this parable is really a metaphor for ancient methods of mind control passed down from century to century. If you think about the idea that – like the Wizard of Oz, a large part of ‘magick’ is actually psychology, deception, and illusion – the parallels between ‘woo’ and ‘mind control’ seem rather obvious. Being a bit of a mystic I obviously believe myself that there is more to esotericism than psychology, but if we look at it strictly through that lens, the art of controlling the minds of others, it does seem to be something that is culturally and historically ubiquitous, and has always been a necessary ingredient of the powerful in order to maintain their power. I don’t know if you have ever seen the movie “Now You See Me” which was about a group of brilliant performance magicians, but I somehow relate this movie to the modern iteration of the Illuminati. Masters of perception, and controlling attention – where the audience is looking.
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Kayli, I’ll answer this tomorrow.
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Kayli, It’s clear that as our conversations continue this will become quite difficult to manage. I’m already using my browser’s ‘find function’ to locate new replies. Still, it’s our best option at this point. is it feasible to add a small forum to your site?
ECT was born of an attempt to control brainwave activity but it didn’t do that, well not in a constructive way. Ultimately it is and always was simply a way to induce convulsion. While it is discussed under the pseudo-science that somehow ‘seizures’ are ‘good for you’, it ultimately is a behavioral modification, attempting to conduct the core persona to establish a negative association trigger with whatever anomaly is being displayed in the subject. I’m reminded of the Opening of “Ghost Busters” and the PK-Tests being conducted. Though the level of professionalism is different, the application of ECT will always produce the same results – whether million dollar machine or a fork in a light socket. It is certainly effective as a behavioral control but outside of that, the long term results are poorly studied due largely to the fact that they know that the rat will stop running the proper path when they realize the shocks have stopped.
I’m familiar with Cathy O’Brien and her claims. The problem is, assuming she is authentic, the asset is never able to truly report on the program because they aren’t conducting it, they are receiving it. Example: Stick your hand in boiling oil and then tell me what color the bird flying by your window is. The asset has no discernment regarding what’s really going on or how trauma is being used.
Monarch isn’t a program, it’s a term. it references the sensation of bewilderment achieved via dissociation. It’s sometimes also a memory trigger – a mental recreation of the sensations given by the drugs they were administered. The butterfly is a classic example of that sense of floating and flitting. Additionally (and perhaps more compelling) it has always been used as an analogy to explain to an asset why this is happening to them (perhaps the most accurate analogy, universally understood) and the rest is conspiracy history. Tattle-tell celebrities are most often referencing the analogy. Most of them have probably never heard the term, “Monarch’ in their shattering but if they do know it they probably found it on GLP.
Now consider for a moment that it is indeed an MK Term even if it isn’t widely used. At some point, someone had to have heard the term from the lips of a programmer. Otherwise it is a fairly odd coincidence. However, my opinion of Ms. O’Brien is that she’s an abuse victim with a vivid imagination and excellent research skills.
Pharmaceuticals: CNS Depressants, CNS Stimulants, Hallucinogens, Dissociative Anesthetics, Narcotic Analgesics, they will experiment with everything but if I had to narrow it to a top 5, they’d be:
* LSD (still)
* Scopolamine
* The Oxy’s and Opiods for Pain Amplification (if subject is reactive)
* Barbiturates
* Myriad sensory-inducing drugs for temporary: blindness, burning sensation, pleasure amplification, etc.
Obviously all of these are utilized in different ways to different states coordinated to the various event planned.
Now as for Golum, yes I am aware of the legend. Many agree that mind control techniques were employed as far back as Sumeria but at the very least Babylon.
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The find function? Oi. I have the wordpress app and I get notifications on new stuff so its a bit easier but damn that sounds annoying. I could probably get a free forum running without too much trouble. I’ll look into that. Can you explain it as an analogy to explain to the asset why it is happening to them?
I have another question I suppose regarding what the public sees in the tabloids and as a general picture of hollywood and the glamour of hollywood. Do celebrities ever discuss this kind of thing amongst themselves? There was a thread on glp I don’t know if you ever saw about Jessica Simpson having cameras in her Calabasas home, supposedly because she was being watched all the time. Is that the norm?
I know you mentioned anybody of significant fame gets some manner of programming – what about talk show hosts and news anchors? How widespread is mind control? I don’t know of you ever heard but supposedly rossanne burr was quoted as saying “mk ultra rules in hollywood”.
Yet somehow the media never gives it attention, and I think I know why…
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I’m going to have a free forum here: http://bluemonarch.freeforums.net/
Haven’t really done anything with it, but I’ll work on it further if you’re interested in participating there. I should have some basic features up and running pretty soon. I’ll see if I can make sure anonymous posting is allowed if you do not want to create an account – which I assume, you do not.
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Option > Find > use Search Term = Find Function. Highlights the text you’researching for, i.e. “July 5”, etc.
What I meant by the analogy was that one of the most common questions a client asks is: “Why are you doing this to me?” The answer is most easily explained in the metamorphosis of a butterfly.
Constant surveillance isn’t normal. Jessica was probably undergoing an ‘event’ when the cameras were discovered, although it could be something as simple as a perverted, voyeuristic ‘owner’.
Roseanne is right. All A-Listers undergo shattering and depending upon the market, news anchors might as well. Large markets will certainly not let anyone on camera without at least some form of thought control. Talk show hosts are different though. Most of them are trained handlers but not all. Watch several talk shows to find who is who. Those who are handlers will have the lion’s share of the assets eye contact. If you see a show where the asset is caught glancing off-stage frequently, then that host is likely an asset as well.
And yes, you know why.
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Talk show hosts are often trained handlers. Interesting. This feels like it intuitively makes sense to me somehow. Do you have any idea why this is the case, that is what about being a talk show host makes it more appealing to train them as handlers? I have a theory, that the whole point of a talk show is really to reinforce certain sentiments and that hosts are often seen as trustworthy . Is it something like that? And yeah I know how you find text I just feel bad you have to jump through such an annoying hoop
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Do handlers ever have handlers?
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Okay there are two talk show hosts I just have to ask about, you are free to answer or not but they are ones I’ve always wondered about. Colbert and Conan O’Brien.
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Talk Show/Variety Hosts have historically, always been handlers but that changed as the need for better showmanship became prevalent. Today we have a mix of both types but the best ones are trained in some way and also generally programmed too. I don’t think publishing a list of who’s who is a shrewd idea so instead, I’ll give you the signs to spot it yourself.
Watch for these signs to spot the Programmed:
* Emptiness/Distance in the eyes – Instant mood adjustment – awkward outbursts
* Frequently glances off camera, especially during awkward moments. Note that on set, stage managers/directors are often the “Direction Point” for the host and is usually stationed near the teleprompter or cue cards.
* Interviewee seeks guidance from across stage (i.e. looking off stage often)
* Interviewee is generally more relaxed
* Large studio audience
* Has an entertainment field history – This is the biggest tell. Anyone who was a prominent star nationally prior to being a talk show host is usually an asset.
Watch for these signs to spot the Handler:
* Communicates via facial expression – often in opposition to the conversation (sad or stern expression during happy story, etc.)
* Does not seek prolonged guidance off stage (only for show prompts i.e. cut it short, wrap it up, etc.)
* Has full command of the conversation – Interviewee does not seek guidance but holds eye contact
* Interviewee looks more uncomfortable, more rigid
* Speaks with their hands excessively i.e. slaps desk in different places, touches face or body, fiddles with tie (facial expression is utilized more, but hand signs can communicate basic commands)
* Small, cozy studio setting, no audience to small audience
* Career begins at the top – spends very little time working their way up – relative unknown prior to being national host
Now keep in mind, these stars are well trained prior to coming onto any national talk show. Whether handler or asset, these hosts are really only following a script and avoiding divergence. Still, strict script adherence is boring – bad tv – and so the more organic and improvised something can ‘feel’, the more entertaining it is to watch. Rarely is it necessary for a host to have to provide a great deal of correction, they are there to make the asset look good. Sitting and pitching a movie, spinning a yarn about childhood, or a funny story – these are all well scripted and practiced. The host exists to make sure that nothing organic throws the asset and to keep them engaged in alter.
An example of this is during a certain late-night host’s humiliation events. you’ll note that he is one of only a few who take the opportunity to rib the celebrity, putting them in situations where they their ‘tight pants’ are on. Another fellow likes to have the asset read nasty things about themselves written by the populace. These can be triggering events, especially when the asset is asked to step outside the norm and you’ll see it in their body language and faces.
This is a hotly debated topic in ‘my world’. There are arguments for and against. I have attended a few interviews during training and I can tell you that I don’t have a preference. So long as the handler is proficient, there’s almost no difference in either aside from extremely subtle nuances.
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Fascinating. This is something I will keep an eye out for. So the debate is really around whether such hosts ought to be able to screw with assets in such a way?
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Kayli, I just took a moment to read that post once again. I shouldn’t have provided it any credence upon second viewing. I read a LOT of things in my work and find myself scanning documents, searching for buzzwords. The admission of Illegal psychology and vibrations caused me to give it more credit than it deserved. The OP told on himself in the first few sentences.
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I also reread the op after you mentioned that thread – The illegal psychology and vibrations were what struck me as legit when I reread it. But I’d also seen a lot of random snippets from mid-thread by that point. And I wasn’t convinced the OP knew much about psychology or vibrations … Heh…
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Hello you two 🙂 I’m replying down lower on the page so hopefully my question won’t get lost. I too use the Ctrl + F method of searching for the latest posts 🙂
Jos, I have a philosophical question for you. What is your view of “Occam’s Razor” when applied to the general public’s perception of reality? As I’m sure you know, Occam’s Razor states that the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions is most likely correct (or should be selected) – aka the simplest solution is usually the correct solution. (And yes, I have been listening to old lectures from Terrence McKenna who brought this up lol.)
This does not seem to apply to the perceived reality of the “normal” U.S. citizen. The individual assumes simplicity and everything is as it appears, when everything most definitely is not how it appears with the use of mind control and guided perceptions of reality.
Is Occam’s Razor false? or should it only be applied to physical phenomena?
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Also regarding the talk show hosts and handling – my goodness – the interview between Joaquin Phoenix and David Letterman in 2009 seems like an example of some type of handling going on.
It was very uncomfortable to watch. Joaquin seems like a child trying to protect himself – covering his eyes with sunglasses and his face with the beard and constantly adjusting his suit jacket to better close around his body.
Was it expected for him to go out in public on a talk show this way? Here’s a link to a video of this interview. Any insight on this strange exchange would be appreciated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENJr98KXs5g
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Andrea,
The key phrase of course is ‘perceived reality’. We work endlessly to convolute perception, to make things too confusing to act upon or even truly understand. As an example: The PC movement is utilized two-fold. On one hand, we are creating a stream of constant true concern-for-self but this concern still isn’t about how we interact with others. Rather it discourages interaction based on the self-concern that you may offend. This also leads to the ‘perception of offense’ and the rewards gained by it, thus adopting it into the stream of consciousness. More, the PC Movement is ever-evolving – yesterday’s term for an Asian man isn’t today’s term. Now, without that knowledge, applying Occam’s Razor to it is impossible. But, knowing the above, that it is the invention of a counter group, then you realize its purpose. Confusion > Fear of Interaction > Loss of Community/No Unification. Simple.
And so Occam’s Razor is again correct (I don’t believe it is completely infallible) so long as the proper perspective can be gained. if something is complicated it is due to a lack of understanding usually, or a lack of information.
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Letterman is renowned for celebrity meltdowns (Crispin Glover, Drew Barrymore, more). Always, the answer is drugs. Always, it’s inaccurate. I mentioned to Kayli that any host who had no prior celebrity is probably a ‘handler’. Joaquin’s story is (and this is hearsay), that his programmer offended Letterman by not having Joaquin properly acknowledge his status (the story goes that Joaquin was experiencing some ‘bleeding’ from his role as Johnny Cash – a notorious rebel). And so Letterman decided to make a mockery of him. The sunglasses were Joaquin’s attempts at avoiding eye-contact. You should note at least one obvious hand direction around 1:56. Note where Joaquin’s eyes are trained.
And there you have it. you’ve just witnessed your first celebrity handling. Pity this one was an intentional meltdown.
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Thanks Jos! Ah I see! The truth is simple when you view reality from the proper perspective. Desire for power and control at (nearly) all costs should always be an assumption when dealing with the “Illuminati.” This combined with the knowledge that they are small in number while the US population is large and the understanding that nearly everything is owned by them (including and especially the media and those who appear on it), then the manipulation of perceived reality flows very logically. Divide and conquer. It does follow Occam’s Razor.
As for Letterman being upset with Joaquin’s handler, is this common? Is there much competition between handlers from different stables? Are the stables aligned with the television networks and movie studios or groupings thereof?
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Hello again Jos,
Regarding the example of Letterman handling Joaquin – is the hand signal he used a standard symbol used by programmers? Is there a common set of such signals – like a form of sign language that handlers use so one handler can handle another’s asset if necessary? What was the message Letterman was sending to Joaquin with that particular gesture?
Also, is hypnosis used in your work?
Thank you!
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Andrea, To take things to even simpler terms, it is the goal of the Illuminati to convolute. Control, Money, Power are all outcomes of that. I mentioned many posts ago that, depending upon bloodline (and even within that bloodline) the agenda will change. Some want to ‘hail satan’, others want to bring about the Age of Aquarius, etc. To apply Occam’s to social life, look no further than complication and/or distraction. Everything flows from them.
I want to reiterate that hand signs were used exceedingly but that changed during the late 80’s because they were becoming so obvious and copied. Now they’re hardly used at all. I don’t know precisely what that hand sign would mean because they are a sunset minor trigger method and have become something proprietary, based on the programmer. it’s most common association is as a direction of divergence. Each finger is pointing in a different direction, communicating either a command to divert, or that the asset is diverging to an unacceptable alter. if the story of this interview is true, then Letterman was likely using it to divert Joaquin rather than bring him to lucidity. Note that Letterman had just insulted him. The symbol might also have been a divergence command to keep Joaquin from saying or doing anything about the slight (remember, Glover nearly attacked him). I should also point out that Letterman, at best, is a ‘celebrity handler’, not a Programmer. He may know the triggers but he doesn’t implant them.
There is no stated alignment with certain studios, those are real contracts negotiated in ways not quite truly represented, but close to it. The Illuminati may own everything, but it is a beast that feeds on itself and we the little people, live a life much the same as you’d see on the surface. Also keep in mind that one family may own one studio while another owns a different one.
I’ve stated before that I can’t truly trust any programmer, even those whom I have assisted. We are an independent bunch, fiercely proprietary, and cautious. As we are the ‘head’ of the handling team, that spirit of competition filters down through the ranks – though it isn’t taken quite as seriously as programmer-to-programmer. Motivations for money and power aside, I often wonder how the organization even exists given the amount of distrust among even its lowest level acolytes. And in fact, it does counter itself quite frequently.
On occasion rival teams might seek to sabotage another team. This may well have been the real motivation behind that interview. It’s difficult to say.
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You said there are stables, owners, etc…does betting occur in some form, in some arena?
I know this question will sound…dumbish…but, is there anything in the media, whether it be a movie, a game, a commercial, an advertisement, whatever the case may be…that implicitly has triggers of some kind designed to have a specific effect on a certain individual or group of individual? Is there anything that happens publicly that has a ‘coded’ or underlying meaning for those in the know? More than one interpretation? Designed to spread a certain signal or something of that nature? Obviously there are things I’d imagine programmers and those in that line of work pick up on because they are ‘in the biz’ or what have you. But I suppose I am referring to something more explicitly intended to be interpreted in one way by one audience, and another way by a different audience?
What do you think of Stanley Kubrick’s “Eyes Wide Shut”? Any accuracy? I actually didn’t want to ask you a repeat question so I searched the old thread. And what I found, funnily the hits were something you mentioned… “eyes are wide shut when bearing witness to anything of value” is what you said regarding the asset of course. Was Kubrick ‘in the know’ in your opinion? Was he perhaps killed off for knowing too much – as some theorize? One of my friends from GLP, said that all Celebrities have a sort of implicit life insurance value, and there comes a time when they are worth more dead than alive. Grim, but I completely follow his logic. Is that true to any extent? Does there ever come a time when the Illuminati seeks to ‘collect’?
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Triggers is too vague a term to answer this without some clarification. Media is loaded with ‘triggers’ but these aren’t ‘alter triggers’ or anything meant to ‘activate’ anyone. My triggers, let’s call them “Deep Triggers” involve summoning entire changes of state-of-mind.
Up and down the spectrum, from the simplest marketing to the super bowl halftime show are implanted with ‘simple triggers’ to guide anticipated frame-of-mind. I like examples, so here are two:
1) The McDonald’s chime. Bada, ba da daaaaaaa… You know what to say next right? had you heard this trigger, you would undoubtedly sing, “I’m lovin’ it.” This simple trigger isn’t designed to make you get up and take over the government nor is it designed to make you want to buy food. It’s designed to make you associate McDonald’s with Love, specifically YOUR love. But as we spoke about before, it’s not love at all. It’s loyalty.
2) Beyonce’s last super bowl: Her show was specifically designed to trigger two different demographics: Black people are supposed to feel more militant when they view it. White people will either feel fear or militant as well.
Kubrick was in the know. Most director’s are. But Kubrick wasn’t telling anything they didn’t mind him telling. Those movies would have never seen the light of day if he was. “Eyes Wide Shut” was a fictionalized tell-all, much of it cringe-worthy in how close it walked the line.
I don’t think he was killed however. Director’s can forever make money. Although I could be wrong about this; they do things for various reasons, the knowledge of which, is above my pay grade. Thin about the life- insurance thing for a moment though, and then tell me why Madonna is still alive? No, the organization isn’t such that it takes assassination lightly. There’s no graph that plots when an asset lives or dies. Elvis is the ultimate precedent, and we’re not that far removed from him. Most celebrity ‘estates’ don’t have the value of a living celebrity, even if they are kept for many decades.
There are two levels to nearly everything though, especially music. Whether homage, tattling, or sending messages, you can generally view them from two different perspectives.
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Yes – to convolute, divide – to prevent introspection and the uniting of humanity. I agree that this would be the core goal of the families. I have read both the Hidden Hand material and the Law of One material (supposedly channeling Ra) that the service-to-self folk must reach a 98% negative state to ascend via that path. The positive side only requires that one be 51% service to other to ascend via the positive path – seems a bit unfair lol, but it is understandable given the destructive nature of the service-to-self inclination.
At some point though, do the families not also serve the purpose of providing the friction or catalyst with which we humans need to grow? To choose between good and evil? Service to other vs. service to self? Despite this, it does feel as if this “growth” project has gotten a bit hijacked. Some seem to have forgotten (or never knew) their ultimate purpose.
In this world of competing families and factions – and of these I know of: the Freemasons, the Zionists, the Fourth Reich, the Jesuits/Vatican and the Li dragon family (and the Russians I do not know where they fit )- what are we regular folk to do who are a bit aware of things?
Staying in balance and being in the eye of the hurricane sounds good in theory, but how does one do this in practice and not have one’s head in the sand at the same time?
And – out of curiosity, do you practice any form of spirituality? Your mental acuity is amazing, and you mentioned that you practice physical activity for stress relief and fitness – what about your spiritual well-being? Do you give this aspect of yourself any expression, assuming, of course, that you believe it is an aspect of yourself equal to the other two?
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You mentioned that for an asset exposing the program is difficult because they are always on the receiving end of the trauma and that means that their ‘view’ of what is being done to them is muddy at best. Not to mention I rarely hear of celebrity assets who fully expose the program – I suppose because they have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. Do you think the attention of fame is a kind of addiction in and of itself? Something that can be metered out and used to control a celebrity? Do you think that – those in power – could really turn anybody they wanted into a celebrity? Is the media really a kind of dog-and-pony show, controlled by money and power?
Of course it makes sense that those with innate beauty and talent would be more useful to any handler. But if you had the right connections, or some kind of special quirk that made you attractive to them – really all that it takes is the right kind of finagling to manage anybody’s reputation, right? And yet it tends to seem – to me – like being a celebrity is really a time-sensitive event. Even the huge pop-stars I remember growing up – like britney spears and christina aguilara, are not really that popular anymore. Do you think it’s like a 10-year-cycle?
That brings me to another question – when a star’s popularity really ‘dies down’ so to speak, is there sort of something to help them cope with that, or to manage them after the peak of their careers, or to monitor them to make sure that once the biggest part of their career is ‘over’ so to speak, they don’t reveal things that would be bad for the people in charge?
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And I also wonder, who starts the trending hash tags on twitter? Some of them seem legitimately inspired by current events and news stories and things being released in pop culture but a lot of them also seem like “damage control” to me…does that suspicion have any merit?
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Hello Kayli. I’m sorry for my absence. Long weekend. Anyone can be famous given the machinations of the ministry. New ways of discovering ‘talent’ like youtube, etc. have opened avenues for assets, but you don’t necessarily have to have talent or looks to achieve brief fame. However, lasting fame usually comes with those who possess some marketable attribute. It’s interesting that you’d ask this question as I just witnessed a similar conversation between two clients.
it takes talent, beauty, or both to get recognized. This is the ‘real’ part of the industry, the ‘pure’ side. But once the industry recognizes your talent and selects you, it all changes. Short of low-level, fan awards, almost everything about your career becomes coordinated. You don’t really try-out for roles, they are assigned. Awards are the same, as well as any career success (and sometimes failures) you might experience. Now that isn’t to say that your talent was for naught. A performer must continue to perform at the highest levels for these predetermined roles to be successful. Anyone can turn in a bad performance and the consequences of that are real.
Celebrity is indeed a reward and we use it as such. I explain it to my clients in simple terms: “Imagine, you could be trying to balance a check book right now.” A celebrity must come to terms with their new reality, with the secrets behind the curtain. Every asset suffers the same in their daily lives:
* Called upon to do unsavory things sometimes
* No true will or self-guidance – No ‘choices’ regarding anything career related
* Inability to trust people – not knowing when something unpleasant may arise
* Endurance of trauma on occasion
* Perhaps performing in a way that you don’t enjoy (i.e. a sexy career path for someone who would prefer something classier, etc.)
* Inability to connect with people on a ‘real’ level
And of course the big one, the ‘fire walk” – endure the shattering. They only do this once though, so it isn’t a daily concern.
I always tell my clients to enjoy the small things, to relish the moments and those moments and small things are as frequently experienced as they are for non-celebrities. in fact, those ‘small things’ might be a trip on a yacht, a meal privately cooked for you by a famous chef, a ride on your private jet, or a shopping spree down Rodeo, Paris, New York…
These examples are in addition to the ‘regular folk’ experiences of a favorite meal, or a long weekend, etc.
The greatest motivation however is the honor of being adored. It is as addictive as any drug. To be loved and sought after, to have tens of thousands screaming your name; these experiences alone are often more motivating than the most severe trauma I can manifest. This level of fame is unattainable by anyone not shattered. it’s the real price of celebrity.
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Trends are rarely organic, especially today. your suspicion is absolutely confirmed. We managed to put doughnut-gate to bed very quickly with this method.
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Kayli,
I realized that I didn’t answer all of your questions. Everyone (all handlers and handling teams) are trying to achieve “Madonna”, but times have changed and so have minds. it’s a delicate balance to avoid ‘celebrity fatigue’ in the hearts and minds of the populace with forgetfulness. Too much and people just get tired of the asset. Too little and it’s almost like rebooting a career.
Couple this balance with the mental degradation of the ‘old methods’ and the asset’s shelf life is around 4-5 years for those achieving moderate, mainstream success (a few hits, nothing earth shattering). 10-years is for those who have achieved a higher level of fame (a few #1’s, etc.) but the degradation of old-method shattering becomes more prevalent. Then there’s Madonna. Now, she was ‘old method’ and one of the first, but she had shown remarkable resilience to partition degradation. Today I think it’s apparent that her sex-kitten programming has fully assimilated all other partitions into a mish-mosh. The reasons for this aren’t exclusive to ‘old method’ programming, but are myriad.
The new method, Speculum (which I fully embrace, making me rather exclusive among my colleagues), takes a longevity approach. Will it work? Well, we’ve made it to year #5. We’ll see.
Also, to ad to what I said earlier about anyone being famous – Yes, reputations are very easy to manage with the right team. And so long as their is some marketable attribute or quirk, lasting fame can be achieved.
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Hey Jos. Good to see you back, and no worries. I can only imagine you get busy on occasion. Of course I have a few questions for you as always. What are some major points of differentiation between Speculum and older methods? What are some of the major features of Speculum?
Do assets still have handlers of some kind when they aren’t famous anymore? Do they ever manifest odd personality traits when their fame is gone in pursuit of it? Is there something akin to a home for wayward former celebrities lol?
You mentioned “fire walk” as a term to refer to the initial process of shattering. Are there any other jargon terms like that you would be able to share, stuff people in your circles say that only those on the inside understand?
When exactly does a celebrity come to learn that the price of fame is being controlled? And how does this differ for those who are born into very famous families from the time they were born, ie royalty.
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I’m glad to answer them. I see that I still managed to avoid answering some off your original questions. My apologies. I shouldn’t come here with intent to post when I am pinched for time. Let’s take them one at a time:
The primary and first difference between MK and Speculum is the utilization of psychotropics. We ‘may’ utilize analgesics and the like, pain inducers, etc., but generally I try to avoid even these (my colleagues do not). Speculum really is a ‘new kids’ vs ‘old guard’ methodology. We ‘new kids’ believe there’s a better, less-invasive way including a great deal more concern for overall client health. Additionally we try to guide clients to as ‘normal’ an experience as can be had by someone who’s experienced what they have. The ‘little things’ again, like ensuring some moments of happiness and satisfaction. The old guard call it ‘coddling’. I and those like me believe it is longevity-building. To everything above, the inverse applies to classic MK Ultra, where clients are treated more like ‘assets’ than people. Now before you think I’m a nice guy, as a Speculum Programmer I will take into consideration and even try to satisfy my client’s reasonable emotional and physical needs, but I am outcome-based first and foremost.
Assets are forever ‘programmed’, but after they have lost celebrity, they usually only have ‘the doctor’, unable to support the costs of a handling team. Yes, they will create unguided personalities but then, this is possible even of active assets. To my knowledge there is no official “Old Celebs Home” 😉 but they do congregate in the usual places: Hamptons, Miami, Boca, Paris, Malibu, Connecticut, etc.
Let me clarify “Fire walk” first. This isn’t really a term associated with Speculum. Rather I used it as a demonstration of a difficult time. Initial contact with a client in which, the first alter is summoned and encouraged is most commonly referred to as: “The Wedge” or “First Strike”. This trauma event is followed by a period of quiet which, we generally refer to as the “The Rest”, “The Calm”, or “The Eye (of the storm)”. And then this is followed by “The Shattering” where that alter is reinforced.
Usually clients are introduced to the concept of absolute control during the shattering, but they’ve been preconditioned to this for their entire careers. Most couldn’t function; wouldn’t know what to do without their agent and team.
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I did ask a lot of questions. It’s not too surprising that you’d miss a few. Let me ask you about pain. What do you consider pain? You said you used physical pain. How does that work? What is useful about pain?
How do you come to “get inside the heads” of your clients – learn their largest vulnerabilities, biggest dreams, you know…pressure points? Do you have some kind of psychological jujutsu they teach you in black ops school?
Do you find setting up a romance is a good way of controlling a celebrity, is it ever contrived ok the part of one of the romantic partners? You are probably familiar with that scientology story where they set up that girl to be tom cruises’ gf. They groom her prep her, everything. To manipulate him basically. That cult has a lot of ties to mind control…any comment on that sort of thing?
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Kayli, Look up information regarding pain receptors and the effects of pain on the brain. in short, pain is the fastest way to induce and conduct an altered state with the added benefit of creating a negative association and of course, a survival response, adrenaline, etc. There are simple methods to achieve this obviously and they summon visions of broken fingernails and wood rasps. I won’t confirm that this is an actual method, but pain-induction can be that simple. As a whole though, pain-induction is only a part of the overall method. Pain is simply a way to a means, that means is Mental Trauma. I prefer a subtle, nuanced method over a sledgehammer, although that ‘first strike’ usually requires a sledgehammer to lead to such an outcome.
Pain is temporary and easily forgotten. The human mind generally will not allow the memory of the full experience to be summoned, it simply can’t recreate it. And so pain is only a short-lived tool to reach loftier goals. The true outcome of any pain-induction is the negative memory (the survival instinct) associated with the experience. If pain-induction was the pinnacle modality of programming, then every schoolyard bully could be a programmer.
Rather, true programming lies in ‘violation’. I often mention betrayal events. These events are one of my most prized methods and they are usually simple to produce. Now, by betrayal I likely summon thoughts of boyfriends cheating. While that is a part, I speak of betrayal as a much broader term. I’ll give you an example. I will avoid vulgarity here, though there is a better example if I used it: I might lead a client to believe that, on a certain date, they will receive a great reward. I will spend volumes of time reminding the client of this, implanting the anticipation of something good. But when that time arrives, the reward will be something unpleasant.
Perhaps that’s too vague: A starving client might be promised a meal, only to have that meal be something vile yet edible. The violation is two-fold. First, the promise was misleading and hope is lost. Second, the client will then betray their own sensibilities in order to survive. This of course will lead to humiliation that will be reinforced. Through various methods a client’s sensibilities will be manipulated in every way until satisfactory compliance is achieved.
Violation, Betrayal, Fear, Hopelessness – these are the tools of the programmer and they will use whatever means necessary to achieve them. Sorry you asked?
An initial ‘work-up’ on a client is always achieved via deep research. usually clients have already demonstrated some success in the ‘real world’ which, leads to interviews, web sites, biographies, social media sites, and fan pages. I do not have to conduct this ‘deep research’ ultimately. I am provided a work-up, but I like to double check sources for absolute accuracy. I can’t bring in the ‘scary clown’ if that was only a rumor. Of course more information is obtained as the program is applied.
Love is trust. The greatest love is called “True Love” for a reason. I’d argue that it is the only ‘real love’. Everything else is just fondness and that is generally useless to a programmer. I can’t do much with a client’s ‘love’ of chocolate bars.
Controlling a client’s ‘love and trust’ is a reliable means of control. In every asset’s life there will be many people who establish a relationship of ‘trust’, but this isn’t limited to a romantic partner. in fact, many of these romantic relationships are contrived for various purposes though the greatest of these is “career boosting” in which, a minor celebrity will be paired with a major celebrity in order to give the minor’s career a ‘pop’. Sometimes (and this is hearsay) they are paired for the sake of Eugenics (Suri and her sisters). Any ‘true love’ though, is tightly controlled. If the organic romantic partner can’t be brought in, they will be pushed out.
Scientology IS the Illuminati, along with many new age and pseudo-religious movements.
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I’m also reminded of an American Football client who managed to dissociate with a minimal program. He’d created a sort of ‘sleeper function’ within himself where he would be utterly calm until triggered by the sound of his quarterback’s voice. Unguided though, he would experience a great deal of ‘bleeding’ throughout the process and where once his trigger was the quarterback’s calls, it diluted until he’d become triggered merely by hearing him speak. It made for a very uncomfortable locker room.
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Can you go into a bit more detail about bleeding? Does it happen when the triggers are ill-conceived, or does it arise perhaps from an untimely interaction of circumstances and individual traits? If he was your client and that began to happen, what would be your way of managing it?
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Glad you asked. First I would help them establish a focal point. This is important for guiding the bleeder to return to a central location, a ‘snap out of it’ sort of focus. The broader and more frequent the focal point, the better.A shake-up in routine is often the best start – to have the subject complete his workout either in view of or in nature, thus making green spaces the focal point. Light Martial Arts training is a good prescription as well, but not MMA. Tai Chi, yoga, anything that promotes body control and quieting the mind. “Communing” with nature is helpful because it offers a generally quiet, serene environment with few surprises allowing the mind to focus without the burden of it’s ‘life filters’. But when there is a surprise, it’s usually a pleasant one.
Removing all media interactions is also quite important (no music, no TV, as little stress as possible)
Now some will prescribe ‘healing tones’, but there are dangers with those. Suppose that something tonal is a trigger (in this case it was) and so you must proceed with caution. These can do more harm that good.
You must stop any pharma for any reason, whether over-the-counter or otherwise. Also, a better diet is always helpful as clean blood feeds a clean brain.
I know this will sound silly but saying things backwards, especially very serious things, triggering things, can also help overcome them. It’s kind of like the old adage that if you envision your audience naked, it will empower you. This is much the same. Write the things that trigger the subject and then have the subject read them right-to-left.
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Finally, the subject’s best friend is his own, natural dopamine. Releasing it can be quite empowering where he would otherwise feel powerless and give him a perspective on his condition. It will stave off depression as well, which is a serious concern in cases like this. But this should be naturally accessed, naturally occurring dopamine – nothing drug induced.
Now, in this example we became aware of the unguided alter, but sometimes, given how these athletes are expected to perform, they can go under the radar. When this happens, these alters are much like sleeper programming in that the athlete is often completely unaware of the alter or they experience it but only think it to be the ‘thrill of competition’ or the ‘fog of war’.
Hidden Alter discovery is similar to finding a needle in a haystack. Without triggering it precisely (and remember the difference in triggers we spoke about. Something that makes the subject feel ‘odd’ is a trigger, but not the same as THE trigger, the one that activates the alter) there are very few ways to deal with the problem. If we were lucky enough to know th trigger then another method is to ‘break through’ it, to literally repeat it until it no longer has effect. This is usually uncomfortable for the subject.
Devoting to tested and true “mental peace” practices are attempts to absorb the alter, to transcend the partition and rejoin the host. This isn’t really ‘bleeding’ as much as it a ‘marriage’ or ‘partnership’ between the two existing alters.
The subject should take opportunities to minimize environmental distractions by sharpening mental acuity. Things like: like learning another language. They should also seek to expand upon any perceived, pre-existing acuity such as command of language, creativity, etc. It doesn’t seem important but think of it this way: These alters are usually larger-than-life, meant to be the ‘subject perfected’ or at least uninhibited and thus the core persona sees them as a superior (when the opposite is true). Anything that strengthens the core persona’s perception of itself will empower it to eclipse the alter.
There’s an old argument that the mind couldn’t be shattered in a subject with complete, genuine confidence. It states that ‘alters’ are less the outcome of fear/trauma/violation experiences and more a lack of confidence within the core persona’s ability to cope with them. The philosophy of mind control I suppose. But, it is true that true self-confidence does strengthen any persona and the strongest alter is ALWAYS the one that also has the most confidence.
Finally, the subject must remember to throttle themselves to base, primal levels if necessary. Keep it simple. If you stop breathing… you know the rest. This is paramount as a tool to help the subject maintain perspective as they attempt to overcome any hidden programming and reincorporate that shard of themselves back into the core.
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This is very good information. In some senses what you are prescribing sounds like “getting out of your head” – is that the same thing as distracting oneself? Or is it moreso, the other bit – I believe it is called, “systematic desensitization”, that is being exposed over and over again to a source of distress until it ceases to have an effect. In a way you are recommending both by the sound of it. How would you balance exposure to the trigger with divorcing the mind from fixation upon it? Is there an ideal way to understand when it’s best to try and reintegrate a subject directly or when it is best for them to be immersed in other activities?
I also wonder about this – say you were seeking to discover “the trigger”, whatever that may be. If you did know it, would it be something you would feel it dangerous to reveal to him? And if the client was one you did not program yourself, and you were attempting to learn what his trigger was, how would you go about that?
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Let me clarify. What I am describing is a long term, singular effort. You can’t be aggressive in this without first strengthening the core. Never mind distraction, that is ignoring the problem. You must strengthen the core until it is preeminent, until it is willing to find itself ‘superior’ to the alter. This includes exposure to minor/environmental ‘triggers’, but not the alter-trigger.
Seeking an alter-trigger is like finding a needle in a haystack, hard enough if it’s self-programmed, harder if it’s provided by a programmer. However if you are aware of when the alter was created, then the trigger is likely somewhere in the life-experiences during that time frame. Knowing an alter-trigger doesn’t make one susceptible to self-triggering necessarily, but it should be handled with caution AFTER the core reinforcement is completed. Once it is discovered then it can be more easily avoided and of course, can be systematically desensitized.
Finally, at that point alter reintegration/reunion will likely begin naturally and resolve itself. At some point the alter will simply become a ‘mood’, rather than a program.
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Can you talk a little more about “self triggering”? Is this something that is conscious or unconscious? What motivates self triggering behavior? Is it seen as undesirable by programmers?
You mentioned drugs should be steered clear of. Does this prevent the bleeding specifically, or does it aid in merging the alters? Also on the opposite side of the spectrum, are there ever situations where a drug regimen is prescribed in order to maintain control over assets and prevent reintegration? I know it is against your personal methodology, but you mentioned many other practitioners are not shy about utilizing it.
You also mentioned something of interest about this client , that he had a “sleeper function” he created within himself. Can you elaborate on that? How does sleeper functioning really work? I assume the basics are that the trigger is embedded to produce a specific behavior at a specific time. But how are these behaviors entrained reliably and with precision so that the programmer can be certain the asset will do the right thing at the right time? It seems stunningly complex.
When you mentioned he “self programmed” a sleeper function within himself, what were the mechanics of that? An extension perhaps of the bleeding?
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Self triggering occurs when the subject A) knows his alter-trigger and B) concentrates on the trauma that created that trigger. It isn’t easy though. But it’s not worth taking risks with.
Consider this: The brain is not the intellect.
Drugs are bandits. They almost always ‘rob Peter to pay Paul”, there is something lost for something gained. When I speak of the use of drugs among my colleagues, they aren’t being used to heal a brain. In addition to this, controlling chemical production in the brain can control behavior by enhancing mood, but it is counterfeit. In effect drugs ‘enslave’ the intellect by altering the place where that intellect is stored, not the intellect itself.
Now I know that I’m sounding a bit woo woo, but yesterday’s magic is today’s science. The ‘mind’ is made up of two parts: the physical and the intellect. I’m reluctant to use the word “Id” simply because the New Age movement has attached such Dogma to it. Certainly assaulting the physical can effect the intellect and vice versa and sometimes when people show symptoms of ‘intellectual damage’, it is caused by a malfunctioning brain. But the work of ‘programming’ isn’t done in damaging the brain. It’s done in assaulting the intellect. Manipulating the brain can lead to those outcomes, but consider: If being a ‘sleeper’ had anything to do with damaging the brain, doesn’t it stand to reason that a drug regimen would be a scheduled requirement or that a damaged brain would lead to a permanent alternate personality instead of one that is summoned?
In healing, drugs would be a band-aid, never effecting any permanent outcome unless/until it has sufficiently ‘damaged the brain’ (i.e. altered the brain’s natural chemical production) into the anticipated behavior. Plus there are always costs/side-effects.
If the ‘damage’ is in the intellect, then it must be addressed within the intellect in order to ever be healed. This isn’t precise. It requires exercising acuity, becoming as aware of the subject’s intellect as is possible. nothing is trivial: personality tests, word problems, equations, increasing knowledge, creative outlets, understanding the subject’s nature… This must be balanced with quiet however, to avoid it becoming overwhelming. Physical discipline (and the disciplines of things like Tai Chi, etc.) are also beneficial as these are almost always accompanied with the ‘quieting of the mind’.
In order for someone to create a ‘sleeper function’ within themselves, they’d have to have opportunity to achieve an altered state, likely witness their ‘programming’ during that state, and then reinforce it with some sort of trauma. For a football player, this is easily achieved. Play under the effect of some altered-state inducing stimuli, witness the programming via playing, and then take a hard hit (or a loss, or a benching). Do this several times to finalize the programming. This is virtually identical to a
Real Sleeper.
The subject must be in an altered state, placed in an environment where that altered state can be utilized to impart programming, reinforce it with trauma, repeat. Remember that trauma doesn’t have to be physical. We spoke about ‘violation’ earlier. So long as the instruction is imparted specifically and efficiently, then it’s not really ‘complex’, it’s just time consuming. You must have ample time for the subject to be in an altered state, in the right environment. For example being in a facility where one was placed because they were in an altered state.
I know that I have impugned hypnosis in my dialogues, but being in an altered state is just as susceptible to suggestion as the faux science of hypnosis. And so if you wanted to you could call it ‘hypnosis of a kind’ so long as the subject has achieved the proper suggestive state.
The healing methods I’ve mentioned above are suggestions for unguided healing. In order for someone to achieve healing otherwise would require entrance back into those altered states with a guide whom both understood the subject’s needs while also being someone in whom the subject could place absolute trust.
Bleeding is a generic term referring to a client reacting inappropriately due to a ‘thin partition’ or overactive sensitivity to their alter-trigger. It usually results in confusion and improper responses (like (hyperbole): trying to tackle someone during a pre-game interview).
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You were mentioning, I remember once on your GLP thread, that certain persons are harder to effectively shatter than others. One of the examples you gave was a writer, you said something similar along the lines of the ‘bleeding’ concept – that many writers have been greatly exposed to, whether through contemplation or direct experience and mentation, various horrors and emotional intensity. So that, in shattering one, there can occasionally be an untidy, ‘fractioning’ of alters that aren’t intended, simply because of the nature of their personalities. The way that you explained it made me feel, that there are cleaner and more messy ways to go about programming a person, and certain types of people tend to be difficult to break cleanly.
Of course, a football player and a writer absolutely bring to mind different personality frameworks. Not to stereotype, obviously, but you probably see what I mean. The athlete has a certain conditioned way of perceiving the world – and of course, of how he motivates himself, how he would be programmed would be different probably than a singer or an actor. You have also mentioned in the past, that from time to time, an asset will create an alter of their own, unbidden, and that this can be a problem for programmers. Would you consider such cases an extension of ‘bleeding’? I think you said, it is more likely that a writer will do this, than it is for other types of assets.
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Kayli,
Yes, writers and comedians are very difficult clients because of IQ and imagination.
Let’s say for a moment that an average citizen was selected for a sleeper program and that they weren’t well-vetted (or perhaps they were, but chosen as an act of cruelty). Proper vetting would indicate several factors like: IQ, Empathy, External Emotional Response (internal if it can be surmised), Creativity, as well as hobbies and interests and demonstrated level of skill with problematic attributes like being a fiction writer or comedian.
If none of these criteria were considered and the subject underwent a sleeper program, then most certainly they would be at high risk of auto-continuation of the process beyond the initial programming. Now, comedians, writers, any subjects with a propensity for creativity and a high IQ will retain the altered state, compartmentalized within their own minds. They even have access to this place though it isn’t one that they will seek to attain nor stay in long if they do, it’s a light-headed, surreal, flitting feeling that lacks lucidity and thus, is undesirable. it’s that moment when your eyelids blink out of synch.
This ‘pocket of altered state’ is a factory of sorts, where new alters can be freely created based on imagination (and writers have plenty). It’s similar to ‘bleeding’ but not precisely the same. This may be a coping mechanism or it may be done as an attempt at self perfection. The problem is that with writers and comedians, nothing is ever perfect.
By strengthening the core persona and building confidence in it, you are effectively arming it with the tools it will need to establish itself as ‘alpha’. Then you can potentially begin to decommission alters or relegate them back to imagination.
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Let’s say that there’s a period of intense or significant triggering that causes racing/looping memories and confusion, and that the onset continued into the late night and was causing insomnia and making it impossible to sleep. Given in this instance going out into nature or working out isn’t possible (let us say it is two three in the morning etc, a person must be up for work the next day) what would you recommend for them to get a handle on their emotions and “turn off” ?
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Establish a focal point, a tiny light perhaps, something new. Occupy the mind by:
1) Initiating a countdown, first aloud to reinforce it’s priority, then silently so long as it remains priority.
2) Reciting something you are passionate about, again aloud first, then silently
3) Focusing on a passion and participating in that passion, create a story line from that passion, advance it each night, accepting that you will fall asleep before completing it.
4) Plotting your next book.
The focal point shouldn’t be distracting (blinking, pulsing, etc.). It should be solid yet dim, and preferably a calming color like sea green, soft blue.. see more here: http://www.shape.com/lifestyle/mind-and-body/paint-colors-relieve-stress-and-help-you-relax
It shouldn’t be so bright as to keep you from falling asleep.
Foremost, take command of the loop by exiting it. In your mind, ‘put on the brakes’, determine that you won’t allow yourself to think about it again. You still may, but repeat this process and create a refusal or divergence ‘trigger’ to the experience. If you know that it is inappropriate, you must respond to it with equal vigor. You might create an association, an ‘alternate version’ of the memories or assign a rhyme. Anything to lessen the memories impact and detract from it.
Get out of your head. Refuse to suffer. Enjoy something but be careful that you don’t create a pleasurable association with the loop. Don’t ignore the loop, address it.
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Is there some kind of mental illness where you feel physical sensations occurring on your body where there are none? Like, phantom limb, if it were to apply to other forms of pain. Like, the delusion you look a certain way when you do not, or pains that seem to stem from no source in reality, but feel very real? Is it possible, to feel something like that, realizing that it has no basis in physical reality, but still experiencing or registering this ‘phantom pain’? I don’t know if that would be something totally outside of your expertise – but it seems like something that somebody with knowledge of psychology might have some semblance of experience with.
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Look into fibromyalgia. It’s controversial but many believe it to be psychological. I haven’t really studied it to make an informed opinion, but I do believe that the mind will do to the body as it wills, including opening pain receptors without sufficient (or any) stimulant.
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What is the process of conditioning like for a celebrity ? How do you handle things like rewards and punishments? What kind of associations do you seek to create?
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Another thing. It’s in regards to the ‘drug’ thing. A lot of celebrity breakdowns are blamed on drugs, and it’s hard to say from the average man’s point of view how much of a nervous breakdown is created by a true drug problem or, for those with some knowledge of the wizardry behind the curtain, a breakdown in programming. But, it seems logical and obvious to me that there are indeed celebrities who turn to drugs and abuse them. How do handlers deal with real drug addictions in their clients? Are there cases in which the client is left alone in their drug use, to the extent that it is not causing too much of an ill-effect? I believe you have mentioned that – indulgences are not uncommon, and, permitted within reason, depending on the circumstances.
Are there situations in which – some celebrities turn to drug use, in order to cope with some of the fallout of their shattering and potentially the trauma of a bad experience…? Or to, in other cases, ‘self-regulate’ their affect? I am assuming there are cases of celebrity drug addiction out there where things get ‘out of control’, and the celebrity has difficulty maintaining their role without drug-use, because it has become a method of coping. If the asset becomes dependent on a pharmaceutical independently of his or her programmer, what is generally done, when immediate and complete cessation of the drug use would be too problematic?
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Of course there are. I have a client who played around with cocaine for awhile. It’s all in the ‘hot sheets’ for anyone who would like to find out more.
Yes, drug addiction is actually anticipated in most post-shattering assets. It’s really not that huge a problem for classic MK or even modern Speculum. It’s a personal problem for me because of its effects on personal longevity and health, but it has little to no effect on programming. It’s just a nice, numb place where reality is escaped for awhile. Given the heavy utilization of altered states in this work, I can’t imagine why ‘going back’ would be desirable, but we do what we must in order to cope.
Let’s say, hypothetically, that an addiction was discovered mid-concert tour. It’d be handled just as it would be if Speculum didn’t exist. The show must go on and if it can’t, well, sometimes rehab is real.
Personally the discovery of such would be handled much the same as the above, but the rehab would involve a great deal more ‘motivation’ and negative reinforcement.
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Yo Jos whats up with the #JusticeForAriana hashtag? You got that trending even with pokemon go and the dallas / BLM movement going on right now? Damn that is Verrry impressive
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Not guilty. Something SB is doing. He’s very good at what he does.
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SB?
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You know this. Get out of your head Kayli. Focus.
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Not former.
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Scooter Braun? Ariana’s former manager? Making fun of her since this trends along with the Bastille Day attacks? What’s the deal with him?
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Let me clarify. The decision was made to go ‘feminism’ with Ariana. That couldn’t be done with Scooter as the ‘front-man’, and so he fell back, let ‘mom’ pretend to take the reigns. Trust me, he’s still very much involved.
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Why the decision to “go feminism”? Seems all the illuminati queens are going that way lately. Not complaining just curious.
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The reason is always, ‘destruction of the family’. As you know, it’s one of their pet agendas.
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There are a lot of people who resent the movements for feminism, equality of race etc – privately, the more and more it is pushed on the public by the mainstream media. Of course it is the youth that seems to integrate and accept the message which I am guessing is the goal. But what about the fallout – stuff like racial tensions and increased tension and division – among many? Is the “helter skelter” desirable?
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It’s a fine line. They do not want ‘civil war’. They want everyone to be unwilling to cooperate, to never get to know each other, but they do not want them fighting. War always reveals hidden things.
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So now that I have a forum – still trying to figure out what exactly I should do with it and how to set it up. Would love to organize this info somehow. Categorize it…idk.
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Attempted to reply. Didn’t immediately go through but I assume that might be moderation.
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To the forum?
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Yes. I think the problem is the verification pop up. Proxy’s don’t like them.
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Oh shit. Well that could be a problem. I will work on it.
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All fixed. Two replies. I’d love to stay and play on the new forum but I’ve some things to attend. I will try to stop by later.
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Great, glad it’s working. I should probably get off the internet for a while in any case.
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Quick question, are there handlers and parts of the organization that work with aspects of humanity that aren’t famous/have no desire for fame or wealth? And you should know – We are all so inherently connected in unfathomable ways, I am speechless with gratitude for the treacherous path that you have chosen
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Quick question, are you Harley Pasternak?
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he hasn’t been around since 2017, so unfortunately, I doubt we’ll ever get a reply
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Such a shame, I’ll be missing him😭
His original thread is also gone, is there a backup anywhere?
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agreed…there are about a million reasons I would like to be able to speak to him again, in 2017 I ran out of questions but so much has happened and there are so many things I wish I asked at the time. but hindsight is 20/20. as far as I know there’s no backup of the original thread, HOWEVER, I may have actually copy pasted some of it to a google doc….I’ll check
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